I have a question. If the Guardian in OF is Mac, which Mac is he? Is he cyborg Mac? Temporal twin Mac? Original Mac no longer cyborged? Clone Mac? Just what is Mac nowadays? And please don't say dead.
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I have a question. If the Guardian in OF is Mac, which Mac is he? Is he cyborg Mac? Temporal twin Mac? Original Mac no longer cyborged? Clone Mac? Just what is Mac nowadays? And please don't say dead.
Cyborg Mac, clone mac is destroyed. Unless they decide he's not a cyborg after NA #16...
Mac is Gentry from vol2 but the series ended before it could be confirmed. Cyborg Mac was deaged in vol2 but he died in Wolverine rescuing Alphs Flight from AIM. The other Mac is another clone
what would you think if Guardian was Sean Benard aka Groundhog. Maybe SHIELD hinted him down to register since he operated as Groundhog and he comes out of hiding since he knows the basics of the suit
To be honest I want Guardian to either be Mac or a completely new character in the suit.
I hope to God its not the Collective dude. Why would an American put on the Guardian costume anyway? That doesnt make sense. Thats like a Canadian putting on Captain America's costume.
MikeM
You never know, it could be Major Mapleleaf Jr! Oeming said he didn't really mind the 3rd series so maybe Lou found a soft spot in the writer. The Guardian looks pretty pissed in the promo, it could be Mac because his team and wife were slain. It coud be young mister Sadler because his young honey was eaten by tiny scorpions. Wasn't it said that one character would be brand new? Maybe it IS a new person in the suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius Bane
I do doubt it's an American. What I'd love to see come of "the Collective dude" is become a major villain. I'd love to see a show-down between him and Mac. Hudson was always the least interesting of the original 6 in the Flight. This would finally give him some emotion and character. Give him that 3rd dimension he was lacking. At first he was the only one I wanted dead. The more I think about it, the more I want him to be alive and show us what kind of person he really is, what he's made of, how he'd react after this tragedy... then again, for all we know it could be Toad in the suit. Can't wait to find out!
Funny...I still wish Mac had been left dead since Vol. 1 #12. His death was genius, Delphine Courtney posing as him...even more genius...Great storytelling there.
Dana
The deaths of John Walker's parents by people who knew his identity could be motivation in making him very anti-registration.Quote:
Originally Posted by maniac mike
Same here. The problem is that's not possible anymore. Killing him would be the logical and expected way to go. I thought it was the best way, die a hero, like he had previously. Now a huge part of me wants to know who James MacDonald is and what makes him tick. He was killed before his personality was fully shown and then that was dealt with poorly. Now we'd get to see what we were missing. You can't beat Heather as the leader of Alpha Flight. The true fans know this. I just can't help but want to see James fullfill his dream. He has nothing more to lose. This is how most heroes get to start out. This is when their true self is portrayed. Mac finally, as a late blumer gets to know what true loss is. I want to see every minute of James MacDonald Hudsons pain and what he does with it. I want the true original leader of Alpha to finally get a voice and become a real player in the Marvel U. I want to see him kick some serious a$$ and give Canada the respect it truely deserves.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
I could live with Lou being in the Guardian outfit.
I actually liked Major Mapleleaf.
I have always been a fan of Mac though. I was so disappointed when they killed him off. Then was excited when they brought him back only to be disappointed to find out it wasnt him. And then to be excited again during the building blocks (is that what it was called?) story arc...only to be disappointed when he sacraficed himself to save Heather when they were trying to port Galactus away...only to be (etc, etc, etc)
Man, he should just change his name to Resurection Man.
MikeM
I am also a fan of Mr. Mapleleaf. Reminded me of all those great episodes of Due South.
I think we finally discovered Mac WAS a mutant afterall. His power is to come back from the brink of death, no matter what the odds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius Bane
I am the Rejuvenator. I'll be back.
While I'm no fan of the Hudson characters, I'd prefer Feedback, Mac, Wild Child, or MML to be Guardian, not a foreigner.
Can't turn his issue #12 death back anymore with out another retconn. Or five. :roll:
You gotta agree with Canucklehead, that would make for some powerful characterization. Mac was never a favorite of mine, but seeing him deal with such tremendous loss could certainly add deminsion to his character and make him interesting.
One other thing I was thinking today that gave me a good feeling about this new book.... You gotta credit Mike Oeming for coming to this site for research. It shows a lot of class on his part, but more than that it shows he's already done his research. He knew this site was the source of Alpha info. Follow that up with the intelligent questions he's posed to the group and I think we can all rest comfortably it'll be a good representation of what we all believe Alpha had potential to be. I'm thoroughly excited that Alpha (Omega) Flight will finally get a decent treatment.
Mike, make sure you get Marvel to advertise this book. Previous volumes of Alpha Flight didn't get much support. Subscriptions weren't even offered for the last attempt. Get the marketing you deserve to make this a success. I'll gladly pay for a subscription or three to make this thing fly.
Here's my reading of a bit of the Newsarama interview:
"Mark thought that out of Civil War, there would be those heroes who for one reason or another, did not fit on either side, either because they became fugitives Arachne or they hated what’s happened to their superhero culture USAgent, or they were being deported Beta Ray, all kinds of reasons. But "running to Canada Vietnam style" was never in the picture. There will be characters like that, but they wouldn't be in Flight, you don’t put cowards on your team."
Of course I'm joking, but Arachne would be the one if an anti-SRA was on the team. Is USAgent a cultural/artsy guy?
Guardian and Talisman are the draws for me so far, and I'm not a Hudson fan even! :wink:
I'm looking forward to this title. Plenty of us here complained about Vols. 2 and 3 being called Alpha Flight but not being Alpha Flight. We don't have that complaint here. There's ties to Alpha in locale and Talisman, but this is not Alpha and no one is trying to convince us it is.
This team being called Omega Flight leaves the "Alpha" name to the originals. Alpha Flight can exist and been referenced and seen in the Omega Flight book.
It has never been stated that the team from Avengers #16 was definitively dead. I think Mike Oeming has hinted at this, that we would be seeing more than one member of the "dead" team. I think at least Heather, Sasquatch, Puck and Shaman survived. They may be incapacitated and need prolonged healing. A visit from Liz to her father's bedside could result in her possession of his pouch. Mac and Puck were both seen in the Civil War promotional poster, so Mac probably survived...tho personally, I think it would be a wasted circumstance to not take the opportunity to make him dead again and restore Heather as the Guardian-costumed Alpha leader.
Only one Canadian in the promo art? That's talisman. My guess for this team is Talisman/Elizabeth Twoyoungman, Julia Carpenter, Vlint Barton and John Walker and Beta Ray Bill.
One wild guess...Sasquatch's injuries in Avengers #16 reawakens aspects of the Great Beasts, perhaps allowing Tanaraq's repossession...which also saves Walter's life.
Maybe I'm optimistic because Clint Barton, Julia Carpenter, John Walker and Talisman and Beta Ray Bill are all characters I would like to see back in action regularly. In this case, Walker's presence is the most out of place, even considering his Force Works history. I would not be surprised to see him betray the team for agendas of the American government after the second arc.
Kollins and Oeming have shown respect for the characters they are writing, and respect for Alpha, so I have faith in their designs for the new title. And I see their not calling this title "Alpha Flight" to keep the name free for characters who are Alpha is part of that respect.
I threw together (very quickly, mind you) some sketches of possible Omega logos as soon as I heard the new title. Does anyone have any they'd like to share?
http://geocities.com/davidchenard99/omegalogo.jpg
Guess I am in the minority in long time AF fans but to me Mac was always Guardian, not Heather.
I think it was just being blown away in X-Men #109, the iconic image of Weapon Alpha bursting through the ground and proceeding to beat the tar out of Wolverine. I remember when I first saw that and was just awed at the image.
And, like a previous poster said, we never really got to see Mac leading the team for a period of time. Every time he was brought back, I was looking forward to Mac at the helm but he was killed/written off again and again.
To me, I would like to see Mac and Liz in the new book with the rest of AF retired due to the results of NA #16. I get the feeling that Shaman was killed and that Liz is inheriting the mantle from him.
Something I would like to see is more Alphans in other books. We have had Northstar in X-Men, Aurora and Jeffries in Weapon-X (i think was the name of that book) and Lil in 198. I always thought Puck would be great in the Avengers.
I agree with you mreeez (in fact I might be the poster you refered to) Mac never really got the chance to be developed as a character before being killed off. Everyone says he was boring and emotionless, but has anyone taken a look at Reed Richards?! Talk about distant. He's always been the absentminded professor who gets lost in his work, but no one calls him boring or emotionless. What gives?Quote:
Originally Posted by mreeez
Looks like we can confirm who the guy with the shield is.
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=83210
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Captain America has chosen a side, but what about the man who briefly took up his mantle, the U.S. Agent? In a story by Michael Avon Oeming and Scott Kolins, John Walker has to choose a side – the government he has always remained loyal to or the man whose legend he attempted to uphold? The answer won’t be what you think.
First off, Canucklehead : Neat banners, can I nick one for my sig? In regards to Mac, I'm with the majority here, I don't think we've seen the real Mac since vol 1 #12. There were brief glimpses of him in Unlimited X-Men #45?, which imho is the best rendition of him since #12, but the real Mac needs to come back. On that tack, I'd have to hazard that most of the roster of Omega Flight is there if we follow the evidence.
Beta Ray Bill - Mike Oeming says it's so so it's good enough for me.
US Agent - Almost sure on this given the post by Adam.
Talisman - That Coronet is a bit of a give away. If Postman Mike killed her dad then she's gonna be pissed. So coming out of retirement makes sense.
Arachne (JUlie Carpenter?) - Considering the events in Ms Marvel #6, I don't think she's pro reg anymore.
Guardian - We know it's the suit, but who's in it? So far I've seen it suggested that it's Mac, Steve Rogers, John Walker, Clint Barton or Tony Stark?
Be my guest! I cut off the top ones if you just want the bottom peice.Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
http://geocities.com/davidchenard99/omegalogo2.jpg
Thanks, your a scholar and a gentleman. :lol:
Same to you, sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Well I guess it's official. John Walker.
"Captain America has chosen a side, but what about the man who briefly took up his mantle, the U.S. Agent? In a story by Michael Avon Oeming and Scott Kolins, John Walker has to choose a side – the government he has always remained loyal to or the man whose legend he attempted to uphold? The answer won’t be what you think."
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=83210
...how many pages the first 3 issues will be? With so many AF/OF characters, old and new, I'm hoping there will be a lot of room to tell a decent story with interesting/revealing character scenes.
...how much will the first 3 issues cost?
Canucklehead, you got skills!Quote:
Originally Posted by Canucklehead
Nice work Canucklehead I first thought they were the actual logos
Well done, Canucklehead, nice job. I'm liking the maple leaf one as a shoulder patch.
Back to the "Canadian" thing, maybe I can explain it this way: we see Guardian and believe it's Talisman but Oeming said he saw only one Canadian. That's OK, as you can only tell for certain, even if you knew the characters, that one looks Canadian. No Hebrews as there is no Star of David seen, no Brits as we see no Union Jack and so on, no French as we see no fleur-de-lis on anyone,... So we 'see' only one Canuck, though there are two, one just doesn't wear a flag. :o
There has been a lot of speculation is to whether the Captain American-ish looking guy in the promo art is USAgent. I figure we'll probably be getting an answer in Civil War: Choosing Sides (October 25th). One of the stories deals with USAgent, and will be written/pencilled by Oeming and Kollins. Here is the blurb:
read the full article at:Quote:
Captain America has chosen a side, but what about the man who briefly took up his mantle, the U.S. Agent? In a story by Michael Avon Oeming and Scott Kolins, John Walker has to choose a side – the government he has always remained loyal to or the man whose legend he attempted to uphold? The answer won’t be what you think.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/ne...em.cgi?id=8303
Even in the promo art he still doesn't have a star on his shield.
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http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazi.../001593391.cfm
However, Oeming said there's no uncertainty about USAgent’s stance in Marvel's Civil War.
“He’s Pro-Registration, no doubt. He serves his country, if he does have questions, he trusts in the ‘larger good’ of the situation, “ Oeming said.
I think the empty space in the middle of the shield would be a great place for a big old maple leaf.
I think that would be great, but the spoiler image of Omega Flight has the shield with a star in the middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Primate
Although photos have been known to be edited to create rumors and speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Mungi
http://geocities.com/davidchenard99/omegaleaf.jpg
See? :P
Dude! That is fantastic! I love it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Canucklehead
MikeM
You realize, of course, that you've created a monster...
13 pages... wow.
Well - on the speculation of TALISMAN...
I have been giving this some heavy thought and don't know if this has been posted (only got 2 pages in before I figured I would just post my theory).
Is it Talisman? Yes. In a way. I don't think it's Elizabeth, however.
Oddly enough - I do believe with all of my heart, it's SNOWBIRD.
But what about the Talisman? I believe she's wearing the Talisman. And not only that - look closely. Is that not Shaman's bag attached at her waist?
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g1...amanspouch.jpg
So why is it SNOWBIRD? I think the clue lies in her hands... when she's doing that light thing... are those not Northern Lights? And who usually appears with that? Snowbird's "parents" and fellow "godlings." Also the "artic feel" to her clothing lends to the idea it would be Snowbird over the Talisman we know (Elizabeth).
So I think it's Snowbird with Talisman's headband and Shaman's bag. That makes her QUITE the power house.
For the Spider Woman, I have a feeling it's Mattie Franklin.
Leafy, good to see you here. The way you explained the Snowbird as Talisman scenario, the more likely it becomes. Also, please give me a quick run down on Mattie Franklin, not to up to date about this lady.
Cheers Leafy.
I poke in here frequently but usually just lurk and read anything new! :) Usually I don't post unless I have something to really say (like the "Talisman" actually being Snowbird, and her having Shaman's bag as well!) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
As for Mattie Franklin - here's a nice write up of her on Wikipedia.org.
And here's more on my wild theories.... (this is yanked from my own forum...)
Tawmis' take...
Well, aside from OMEGA FLIGHT usually being associated with a villain team (it's like making a heroic team called Brotherhood of Evil Mutants!) ... this looks like it has some nice potential.
Now I am gonna give my take on the roster...
Going from right to left.
First, already mentioned - Beta Ray Bill. A powerhouse indeed. I, however, do not like how he's being drawn. Since when did his arms turn into the size of cannons? And what's with the metal glove? Those are my immediate qualms (since I love the character Beta Ray Bill).
Next, we have someone baring a very close look to CAPTAIN AMERICA, or possibly USAgent. My guess? We're looking at a NEW USAgent type character. And I believe this one is going to be Clint... formerly known as HAWKEYE (as a female character has recently taken up the name HAWKEYE). Clint as Captain America-esque... don't care for it much, but hey... So why Clint and not the actual USAgent that's known? I don't know... call it a hunch.
Next - clearly VINDICATOR of Alpha Flight days. But how? Vindicator (Hudson) was supposedly killed when the Collective came storming through.
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g1...ngers_16_2.jpg
(Seen above: Vindicator, Puck, Sasquatch, Major Maple Leaf, Guardian, Murmur {I am guessing here, but that's who it looks like}, and then Shaman).
So how is Vindicator there if Vindicator's dead? Well, he hints that it's Vindicator's suit, but possibly not James. So who? Well, hopefully they don't do something hookey like "speed forwarding" James and Heather's son (seen in Uncanny X-Men, as a newborn then) - and make it him. But for right now - I am not sure who could be in the Vindicator outfit.
Next is the Spider Woman we see. My guess is it's Mattie. Reasong being? The hair is off - but the spider on the suit bares a close resemblence to her own.
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g1...tie29_Head.jpg
Also, I think the book needs a young character, and she would fit the bill.
And now the one I am most excited about.
Immediately I thought it was Talisman. Because the headband is none other than Talisman's headband.
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g1...Talisman_4.jpg
But then something caught my eye.
A small detail. But she has Shaman's pouch on her hip. (Logical, as Shaman apparently died against the Collective)
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g1...amanspouch.jpg
And then I got to thinking some more - her hand doing the gesture with the Northern Lights.
To me, that screams Snowbird.
And the winter-esque coat would fit Snowbird's motif.
So that got me to thinking - what we have here is Snowbird, with Talisman's headband and Shaman's pouch. And if that is indeed correct - that is an insanely powerful character!
I wonder if I put it on another message board, what the reaction would be :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Transmetropolitan
PS
Love the Snowbird idea. That would be even more impressive. That character has "the strongest ties to the old Alpha" maybe meaning because she has several objects like you said. Can't waitto find out :)
Snowbird isn't worthy of the power of Talisman, she would only be able to channel a small aspect of the power shown when Walter who was using Snowbird's body donned the Talisman briefly.
Sounds like a poll question to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs