if you wrote alpha flight.

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03-01-2005
PWalk

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Originally Posted by HappyCanuck

Wouldn't killing Silver (or is it Auric?) be a bit moot since s/he's already dead?!

I'll be honest I thought they/ it were dead already but being at work I couldn't look it up. All the more reason to kill em' off in grand fashion I say

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As for the mass slaughter - tho I'm not adverse to the notion - why is everyone so eager to kill off Kara, Laura, Goblyn and Whit?! Mantlo may not have been the best at using characters effectively, but these characters - esp Kara Goblyn and Whit - have a LOT of potential under the right writer (not Furman, tho. what he did to Whit... I'd retcon that ASAP).

I have always liked the idea of Goblyn. I just don't see the character fitting into a series very well anymore. Off the top of my head (at work) I can't recall what her last appearance was like but I'm not against offering her in a scene where it's purely an accident. That brings drama to the scene and books need that emotional twist when dealing with mass offings.

EDIT: On another note though couldn't it be said that Goblyn was just another way to fill the roster with the ever popular Wolverine/ Sabertooth clone. At the time of her debut (86?) Marvel's teams were all recruiting the feral, uncontrollable character. It seemed like teams needed to have a prerequisite leader, strong guy, wise guy, attractive female, and with the success of Wolvie a feral claw and scratch character to be considered a rounded group. Goblyn filled that roll at the time. Same as Wild Child did when he came back as Weapon X.
03-01-2005
HappyCanuck

Well, for that matter, that sort of killing would work with ANY character.
03-01-2005
PWalk

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Originally Posted by HappyCanuck

Well, for that matter, that sort of killing would work with ANY character.

True, what would be so bad with killing off Shaman? You could fill the role with Talisman or *shudder* Earthmover.
03-01-2005
Barnacle13

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Silver and Auric fall under the heels of a Plodex juggernaut making its way across the prairies of Manitoba. They put up a good fight but they are alone and simply cannot stop the rampaging alien alone.

Wouldn't killing Silver (or is it Auric?) be a bit moot since s/he's already dead?!

As for the mass slaughter - tho I'm not adverse to the notion - why is everyone so eager to kill off Kara, Laura, Goblyn and Whit?! Mantlo may not have been the best at using characters effectively, but these characters - esp Kara Goblyn and Whit - have a LOT of potential under the right writer (not Furman, tho. what he did to Whit... I'd retcon that ASAP).

I'm not for offing Kara, Laura, or Goblyn (well maybe Goblyn). Whit, I'm kinda up in the air on. I think he's OK as a background character (Shaman's lab lackey). Laura could be very useful on a limited basis. Makes transportation problems a thing of the past. She'd be great to pull in after an Alpha Jet crash and burn. Kara has always been a favorite of mine. She, Talisman, Wildchild, and Diamond Lil are the only other characters I consider to be Alpha Flight, besides the originals. All the others are Beta or Gamma at best.
03-01-2005
kozzi24

It's been said that there's no bad characters, just bad writers. I don't know that the statement's totally true, but there's a lot to be said for it.

Windshear's been established as now residing back in the UK. What purpose does killing him off possibly have. He's already removed from Alpha's immediate sphere, he has powers and background that could still drive a few good stories.

Silver and Auric are dead. There was a Spider-Man/New Warriors arc that ran through the annuals one year...ONE of the twins died in that arc. Furman did a follow-up in AF #121 that established that they both died.

I'm not for randomly killing characters just because they're dead weight, bercause some other writer on some other title may find use for them, and stories of mass killing can have a shock value, but usually lack emotional depth. You'd lose the impact of Goblyn being killed if she was just one of many deaths in an arc, even if none of the other victims had been around as long.

Or think of it this way...it takes page space away from more deserving characters just to bring in a dead-wood character to kill him.
03-01-2005
HappyCanuck

I'm more of a mentality of PROVING a character's worth before giving them the axe. To me Goblyn, Manikin, Witchfire and Purple Girl/Goofy Grape/Persuasion (whatever she was going by that week) all had aLOT of potential, but none of the writers were accomplished enough to use them appropriately.
03-01-2005
Barnacle13

Like I said before I'm not an axer either. I believe there is someone out there who can make Manbot interesting to someone, but I doubt he'll ever have interest enough for me. If the death is poignant to the story than go for it, but if it's just to weed out characters you don't like then show you don't like them by leaving them out of your stories.
03-02-2005
syvalois

I'm not for mass mudering also. I usually find those stories without believable emotions et repetitive. No for Wire, he would be the only one to die very, very slowly and painfully. Like I had to suffer him for month and months in AF reading to much stuff about him. He as to suffer!!

As for Murmur... Ok, I already planned something for her, makes her usefull for once. For a new serie,in issue 7 , I would have heather receive a phone call saying Murmur commited suicide, that would lead the team with the rest of Hull House characters at Hull house and discover there secret. Finish that story, Flex and all the rest go back in limbo but with a happy ending.
03-02-2005
PWalk

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As for Murmur... Ok, I already planned something for her, makes her usefull for once. For a new serie,in issue 7 , I would have heather receive a phone call saying Murmur commited suicide, that would lead the team with the rest of Hull House characters at Hull house and discover there secret. Finish that story, Flex and all the rest go back in limbo but with a happy ending.

I like that. Would be nice to round up that story.
03-02-2005
Mokole

Another way to resolve the Legacies would be to have them lose their powers as all they had were augmentations that broke down over time.
03-02-2005
HappyCanuck

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Another way to resolve the Legacies would be to have them lose their powers as all they had were augmentations that broke down over time.

Wouldn't work for the most part. Radius was the kid of a known superhuman, thus his powers were natural. We would assume the rest to be the same.
03-03-2005
Legerd

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Originally Posted by syvalois

I'm not for mass mudering also. I usually find those stories without believable emotions et repetitive. No for Wire, he would be the only one to die very, very slowly and painfully. Like I had to suffer him for month and months in AF reading to much stuff about him. He as to suffer!!

As for Murmur... Ok, I already planned something for her, makes her usefull for once. For a new serie,in issue 7 , I would have heather receive a phone call saying Murmur commited suicide, that would lead the team with the rest of Hull House characters at Hull house and discover there secret. Finish that story, Flex and all the rest go back in limbo but with a happy ending.

I'd rather see a story where someone is murdering the kids from Hull House which brings the place to the attention of AF. Along the way they learn the secrets of the orphanage and its connection to Dept. H, before a climatic confrontation with the villain. Characters like Murmur, Ghost Girl and Flex could be gotten rid of (rather than leave them in limbo) and some of the loose threads from V2 could be tied up.

And I don't see why there's so much hostility towards Wyre. So he's a little Cable-esque, do you get rid of Deadpool, the Punisher, Bishop and any other anti-hero with a hankering for big guns? What I liked about the guy was he didn't whine and moan about whether he was good enough to be in AF, he had a fairly unique power, plenty of untapped history from which a writer could draw from and he was actually competent! The man could handle himself in a fight. If the biggest problem people have with him is he's a cookie cutter character (say that fast five times) than you must have a short list of books you read, because there are few truly original characters out there anymore.
03-03-2005
PWalk

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And I don't see why there's so much hostility towards Wyre. So he's a little Cable-esque, do you get rid of Deadpool, the Punisher, Bishop and any other anti-hero with a hankering for big guns? What I liked about the guy was he didn't whine and moan about whether he was good enough to be in AF, he had a fairly unique power, plenty of untapped history from which a writer could draw from and he was actually competent! The man could handle himself in a fight. If the biggest problem people have with him is he's a cookie cutter character (say that fast five times) than you must have a short list of books you read, because there are few truly original characters out there anymore.

Maybe it was the way he was forced upon us readers. At the time I took the character as just another feeble attempt at introducing a character with a gun and blowhard attitude. I'll be honest I don't like Cable, Deadpool or the rest of that lot. Maybe it's the fact that I can't stand Liefeld, maybe it's the fact that those characters were more shallow than a kiddie pool? To me Wyre was nothing more than a guy with nasty back hair with an itchy trigger finger. I thought he was an inside joke at first to be honest. A writer creating a character to take shots at what was quickly becoming an establishment in comics at the time, the uber gun toting mutant wannabe.
03-03-2005
syvalois

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I'd rather see a story where someone is murdering the kids from Hull House which brings the place to the attention of AF. Along the way they learn the secrets of the orphanage and its connection to Dept. H, before a climatic confrontation with the villain. Characters like Murmur, Ghost Girl and Flex could be gotten rid of (rather than leave them in limbo) and some of the loose threads from V2 could be tied up.

Ok, I see why you like Wyre and I don't. You like carnage, big guns and violence? I don't, well, not like that. I don't like free violence, it got to serve a purpose. Except for Wyre death, it would only be for fun:P

I think Murmur suicide would give the story more powers, start for a character you knew and did not really liked, give her depth and better understanding, in her living she did not had depth, at least in her death give her dignity. Plus, mass murdering is not "Canadian" suicide is more a subject everyone been in contact with, more realistic and we could see a lot more the interection in there. In real life, if AF saw mass murdering, some would be so messed up many would need psychiatric help, nervous break down, etc. We never see that, and that's why I think it would be just action boring and free violence. For the same reason, I would keep the other characters alive. I'm tired of free violence.

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And I don't see why there's so much hostility towards Wyre. So he's a little Cable-esque, do you get rid of Deadpool, the Punisher, Bishop and any other anti-hero with a hankering for big guns? What I liked about the guy was he didn't whine and moan about whether he was good enough to be in AF, he had a fairly unique power, plenty of untapped history from which a writer could draw from and he was actually competent! The man could handle himself in a fight. If the biggest problem people have with him is he's a cookie cutter character (say that fast five times) than you must have a short list of books you read, because there are few truly original characters out there anymore.

Wyre represent free violence. I just hate that. I did not like Wildchild at that time too (Byrne Wildchild had my interest). I did not find does characters believable. In the same time too many characters where created with the same cool personality "I'm tough, I'm cool and I've got big Guns, I don't have an head, but that don't matters" I don't like winning characters also, but I like intelligent plot and good personification" Those characters and in this case particulary, Wyre was used as a plot devise for Wildchild, he served no other purpose, give nothing more to AF except put them more in the evil Departement H or whaterver evil gouv. thing which do not work for me. (Where do they take that money? My taxes? It's worst than the sponsorship scandal!!!) You know, the canadian feeling? that did not help. So basically, Wyre was taking AF in a direction I did not like, so that's why I think I hate him that bad. Plus Major Mapleleaf senor, because I though he was a joke and ruined JP coming out.

I liked Deadpool, not the Liefield crap but when other writters wrote him, but depth in him, like cable too. They get away from the stereotype crap. I hate stereotype (can I say Mantlo Aurora?) I liked Deadpool because he was so crazy, it gave him a unique status that I liked. Cable was not my favorite, but under a good writer he could be interesting. I like complex characters, not "my guns going to solved everything" characters. I just hate that. Bishop, I never really liked. Gambit? Interesting but got used to much in the"cool" aspect and he was winning to much over Rogue, I got bored. I like the middle ground.

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03-03-2005
Garry/Al-Fan

if you wrote Alpha Flight

I'd start with volume 1 #28A - big HULK/AF fight (with no preferential treatment to the "established character"). THE MASTER would come back in a big way. OMEGA FLIGHT would be revamped. Dept. H would get downsized (long overdue).

Oh, and THE GREAT BEASTS would kick butt.

It's amazing that the best rendition in a long while of TANARAQ (written and drawn) is in the first part of the recent EXILES story.

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