Alpha/Omega

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Originally Posted by DelBubs

Tiberius - Your not talking about BoND are you? Plenty of us from that round robin still hang around here.

As for Ben, since he got married he's been totally neglecting his duties, real selfish if you ask me :lol: :shock: :P

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Yeah, BoND that was it! I noticed Sue was still around and obviously Ben climbed the ranks. I had joined just before him. Ben and I were somewhat the instigators in the Great Food Fight of 1998. (or 97 can't remember)

He got married? Thats great news.

Back to Omega Flight. I actually toyed with the idea of writing a fan fic where there was someone new in the Guardian suit. I would have just had Mac and Heather retire to raise their child instead of killing them off.

I'm still not 100% sure on this but I am more confident in the book than i was with volume 3. I didnt like comics that are written as a joke. I don't mind humour but when the whole thing is based around it? Doesnt fly I find.

Im trying to get it through my head that this is just a new super hero team with a Guardian character on it instead of thinking of Alpha Flight and Canadian heroes. Its hard to do.

In regards to BoND, Sue's still about, Ben, the person we have to thank for this forum. If there was an award for keeping the Alpha flame flying through all the bad years, it would have to go to him, his work for Alpha is monumental. Seng still pops in from time to time. I probably joined up to BoND after you left, I did about two chapters and then we decided to wind it down. I think it was just after it recieved a Forbrush award for longest running fanfic or somthing :-) Leafy is still around on the net, but he mostly keeps the New Warriors flame going (not a good choice of words given recent events).

Dana, I know we're not getting Alpha as we know it, but we are getting a good writer and artist and Mike Oeming ha said in his earlier post that there will be references to Alpha. As long as it ain't vol 3 revisited I think we should be fine.

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Originally Posted by DelBubs

Dana, I know we're not getting Alpha as we know it, but we are getting a good writer and artist and Mike Oeming ha said in his earlier post that there will be references to Alpha. As long as it ain't vol 3 revisited I think we should be fine.

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I don't know Del...The real Canadian team, Alpha Flight is dead...A team called Omega Flight, based in Canada, but with only one Canadian on it? I'm not even Canadian, and I think this really stinks...period!

It looks to me like Alpha fans have to settle for less...Yet again.

Dana :x

Dana, yesterday we had no Alpha, today we have no Alpha, but their legacy will live on in Omega. After the debacle that was vol 3, Marvel could have cut there losses and said no more Canadian connections what so ever. Instead they've put a top notch team on Omega which will draw in new readers.

In the house of the starving man even a morsel is a banquet.

Give it a chance, you never know we might be pleasantly surprised.

I agree, I'm very annoyed with what happened to Alpha Flight as it's still bitter in my mouth. However, this lineup and the creators have gotten people talking and almost everyone I talk to on different boards will be pikcing it up.

new interview here:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82793


and i am very excited about the prospects of this book. mike oeming is a very talented writer who has a passion for his characters (beta ray bill included) and has done his homework on oldschool alpha flight (i'm just assuming this of course, but from everything i have read it apears that way) so he will handle this team much better than the last version.

plus, and i'd really hate to say this, but i think a lineup like this will stand more of a chance to succeed then the originals. the only people that will buy a book based on just the originals would be us hardcore af fans. it may not survive. plus this lineup seems like it has some potential for some very uniuqe dynamics. i always felt that a guardian (wether mac or heather) is the symbol of af, just like cap in the avengers. now don't get me wrong, i really want to see sasquatch, puck and some more of the originals, but the way they have been handled lately (northstar/aurora villians.......originals in space, not in space, dead/not dead) it would take 5 arcs of 6 issues each just to explain what had happened, and that would lose potential readers. we need this book to gather interest mainstream, or else us hardcore fans won't be enough to keep this title around.

i never bought the original series because it was a book based in canada, heck i barely even noticed or cared it was, i bought it because i loved the characters and it had incredible stories.


sorry for the rant.

just a couple of quick negatives i do have to say.

from what i'm reading on other boards it seems people either love kollins art or will stay as far away from this book because of it.

plus, although the characters seem very uniuqe, it seems like we are getting the "second tier" characters from the originals. instead of thor we are getting beta ray bill and instead of capt. america we are getting usagent and instead of spiderwoman.....er....we are getting the other spiderwoman.


i'm sure mike oeming will write them as being extremely interesting, but it just seems kinda second class to me.

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Originally Posted by varo

plus, although the characters seem very uniuqe, it seems like we are getting the "second tier" characters from the originals. instead of thor we are getting beta ray bill and instead of capt. america we are getting usagent and instead of spiderwoman.....er....we are getting the other spiderwoman.

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We don't know if it is US Agent yet, but BRB is actually stronger than Thor.

Of all originals, I can't believe that they are using Talisman - quite unexpected and a nice surprise. I really liked her, in the Byrne days especially.
Regardless of the fact that this book may be light on the original characters, I'm willing to buy a book that has just one of them in it, if he/she is written well. Maybe there IS a plan to bring back more of them eventually, but why let out the surprise now? It might even hinder the development of the book if non-Alpha readers were to hear that the first arc or arcs was only a "gimmick" to get the book going until more Alphans could return...
I think we need to just sit back, enjoy it when it comes out and be patient. No sense jumping to conclusions based on some carefully worded and controlled news. Given that we have a creative team that are all old-school fans, they deserve a chance to prove themselves.

i know, after reading that again, i'm not coming off the way i meant it. i'm actually gonna start doing some research on both brb and that version of spiderwoman.


and bendis managed to take 2 "b" level characters and make them interesting, so i guess all it takes is a writer capable of writing good stories.

Del...I will probably give this book a chance(the first couple of issues, at least), but to me, this is an awful line-up.

I can't stand U.S. Agent(if it is indeed, him), I don't give a care about any Thor character(let alone Beta Ray Bill), I don't care about Spider-Woman II(Julia Carpenter...again, if it's her)....I really don't want to see Mailman Michael in the Guardian suit (if it's him).

I really like Talisman, but I doubt I'll buy a book solely for her. This just feels like another kick in the groin to Alpha Flight fans.

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"i'd really hate to say this, but i think a lineup like this will stand more of a chance to succeed then the originals." Varo

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Doubtful...Not to mention, the originals haven't been even given a chance(not since Vol. 1, which ran for TEN years).

Dana

where did this mailman michael rumor come from?

So far it's speculation by posters on the Newsarama website, that he joins OF to make amends for what he did to AF.

Dana

There I added what we know thus far about Omega Flight in the entry

http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/inde...ega_Flight_III

We don't "know" the roster yet...We know Oeming is possibly writing Beta Ray Bill and that he appears to be one of the members, It appears to be Talisman (with what also appears to be Shaman's bag)...

We also don't know that the new Canadian-flag wearer is going to be called Guardian...Vindicator is more fitting if it's Michael Pointer...He has a lot to Vindicate (but we don't know if it's him yet, either). Do we know for sure the Spider-lady is Arachne (Julia Carpenter)?

Dana

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Originally Posted by Oeming

I'll be by all the time doing more research, and I'll ask questions from time to time.

The one thing I'll ask of the board (because you ARE hard core fans) is to allow the first 3 issues or so time to sink in, establish its own thing. I typically layout questions for the reader to ask, I never lay it all out at once or spoon feed the reader in any way. im all about listening to the readers, YOU are who these books are for after all.

Anwyhoo, Im way excited, Scott Kollins and the editor are HUGE old school fans, so you guys have a voice on the book for sure!

M!

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It's great that there'll be some intelligent writing on the book. The one thing I hate about alot of comics/movies/books/TV shows is how the writers believe they have to either spoon feed their audience or hit them over the head to get their point across. Thanks for promising us a voice on the book, I'm sure you'll get a tonne of comments and ideas tossed your way. Good luck to you and the rest of the creative team.