Re: SHRA : Good or Bad ? (Omega Flight #2 Spoilers)
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Originally Posted by Powersurge
doesn't even begin to acknowledge points that run contrary to the stated beliefs... such as the granting of amnesty to hordes of anti-reg'ers following the final battle.
"hordes," a word which here means roughly a dozen.
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Originally Posted by Powersurge
She is being a complete hypocrit.
How can she be a complete hypocrite without that 'e'?
In the beginning,
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Originally Posted by Powersurge
In regards to the SRA; I support the spirit of the Act, and even moreso the lands and institutions of the West, which allow for the freedom of speech and the ability to challenge, ammend, and if need be overturn laws.
I don't support folks who exercise power over others in order to force those others to obey a system that they are themselves excessively reluctant, even fearful, to bow down to. Nor do I support folks that turn a blind eye to the faults in the system until those faults show up at their own doorstep. I can hear the implicit slogan even as I write this, "Save an Avenger, Kill a mutant".
If the government and the West way of life is so evil and corrupt, it should be overthrown and replaced with something better; although the last time I checked the nations of the West, the U.S.A. included, represent the best in the world... WORTS and all.
Every time we speak of overturning those laws, you tell us we have only one choice: overthrow the government.
I question, then, where in your worldview there is room for the moderation you speak of? You keep going from one extreme to the other.
Western democracy may (or may not) be the best government system ever; that doesn't mean it's very good. It means the human race doesn't do good government systems.
That said; overthrow it? And replace it with... what, exactly? A dictatorship?
Concordantly, I can't come up with anything better. Ergo, it would be irresponsible to overthrow it. Vis a vis, if it starts doing all the things that the 'evil' governments do that make them 'evil', it's suddenly no better.
That doesn't mean overthrow it; it means do what you can to undermine that particular law.
This doesn't mean I support Cap starting a civil war.
It means I support the new New Warriors subverting the cause, flaunting the law, etc... And the New Avengers, while we're at it.
Which gets them a lot closer to the middle ground than it is possible to be, and remain within the bounds of the SHRA. The SHRA's boundaries are too far away from the middle ground.
Concordantly! Ergo! Vis a vis!:
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Originally Posted by Powersurge
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Originally Posted by DelBubs
While of course, imprisoning someone without trial in another dimension and then using what is obviously a traumatic period for them (fluctuating powers, great pain when using powers and inflicting pain on themselves) to get them to work alongside psychopaths and multiple murderers is acceptable cos it's for the greater good. Of course any self respecting Iron Man would have had Robbie Baldwin psych tested, commited for his own safety and on the long road to recovery, you know? Being a hero and all.
And of course, everyone on the Pro-Reg side is a carbon copy of Iron Man, right? You know, Iron Man not being the pro-reg hero in question and all.
I've gone back and forth on this, but I know have definitive results: Cloud 9 has said that she only wanted to fly.
For that crime, she was taken from her home. She formed an attachment to somebody, and quickly watched him die. Somebody shoved a gun in her hands and got her to kill.
She is not, I believe, old enough to vote.
See under 'Uganda' and 'LRA'.
This is not the SHRA I supported when I supported it:
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Originally Posted by Le Messor
Super Human Registration Act model 1:
"If people want to fight crime, they must be trained and licenced."
Super Human Registration Act model 2:
"We will round up everybody with superpowers to put them in the SHIELD superhuman army."
Super Human Registration Act model 3:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a4...ll/judelaw.jpg
model 1 is the law Stark offered the Marvel Universe.
model 2 is the law Stark gave them.
model 3 is Jude Law, who could probably play Stark in a movie, if Robert Downey Jr. didn't have the role.
Pow, I think you and me both agree with and fully support model 1.
Where we differ is model 2. You
seem to be saying: 'model 1 is good, therefore the SHRA is good, therefore any variation on it is good. Therefore, model 2 is good. Because that's what we've got, and it's
law!' (Speak the last in whispered tones of reverence.)
Problem is, you can't 'work within' that law without doing all those things Del accused Stark of (above). That's how the law works.
If you obey the law, then yes, you become a clone of Stark.
- Le Messor
"What's so civil about war anyway?"
- Guns 'n' Roses