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Tony Stark wearing the Guardian armor? very unlikely, but wow that would be a shock.
That's what I am thinking. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Canucklehead
An interesting counter point... but to your counter point I offer my counter counter points. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by King Mungi
1. As you mentioned - WALTER - was inhabiting Snowbird's body. It was NOT actually Snowbird herself. So if it's based on Wortiness - it would base it on Walter's actions, NOT Snowbird's actions.
2. Snowbird has undergone a considerable amount of changes (for example, I believe she no longer has the main weakness of being bound to Canada Soil anymore).
3. While Walter was in Snowbird's body - I may be wrong here - but he couldn't even use SNOWBIRD's own body to its fullest extent. I am mistaken or was he only able to really turn into Sasquatch (a white form of it, like Snowbird used to). I don't recall Walter ever being able to change into an Owl or anything else. My point? If Walter couldn't "maximize" the abilities of the body he was inhabiting - what would make one think that he could make "full potential" use of Talisman's headband?
4. For all intents and purposes, Walter is human. He has no real "connection" to magic, per se - other than in Sasquatch form, he apparently connects to the Great Beast. However, Snowbird is very mystical in that she is only half human - the other half, a goddess. Granting her, I would imagine, a considerable amount of control over magic that Walter would not know about.
There's more scrambling through my head - but I am stuck at work currently! ;)
1. Except even Snowbird mentioned she was not worthy, she bowed before Elizibeth even before she donned the Talisman. They stated the only reason Walter could was due to Snowbird's body it isn't about merit but who is choosen to don it. Countless times in the comics they stated the only one worty was Elizibeth, anyone else and the gods would take notice.
2. She isn't, as she went to the US to battle the X-Men as well as space to the Plodex homeworld. That doesn't mean she is worthy.
3. Here is the scan in question, it doesn't matter if he could harnish her full power as she isn't worthy. If she was it goes completly against what was said in the comics countless times.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...light68-19.jpg
4. Except as mentioned the reason he could don it was he was in the body of a goddess. That even did a scan of her while she was in human form and he/she was still magical
http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/inde...orm_Identifier
The new attire even looks like the attire Shaman wore when he performed the spirit test and became the new Talisman
I remember them stating the only one being worthy is Elizabeth. They drove that point over and over. I can agree with that, no problem! :)
Now what I mean to imply is - since Snowbird has obviously undergone a series of dramatic changes in her life (and death). One of the examples I was trying to use is her not being restricted to Canadian Soil. Now that alone doesn't make her automatically worthy of the Talisman. BUT - where she could not cross the Canada border before, she could later. So what I am trying to get at is - if she wasn't worthy before, obviously things have changed in her - that may now make her worthy of actually being able to use the Talisman.
And with Shaman's remark about the gods will take notice, and channeling only a fraction of it - I get what he was saying back then. But anyone (with a small twist of creativity) could say - What Shaman was imply is that "she" as in WANDA (or Walter) could not access the full potential because of his intentions of how he was using the Talisman (it was being used clearly while Wanda/Walter had it out of anger and vengeance... so he wasn't "worthy" of using the full potential of the Talisman).
I am just saying that it's not entirely possible - AT ALL - that it could be Snowbird.
But you make an outstanding point that the shadow does resemble when Shaman became um, Talisman... or however you want to phrase that.
I guess why I am stuck on it being Snowbird is - they (Quesada or whoever it was) - made a point of the fact that Snowbird was not present when the Collective came through and that she would be seen again. (Of course, this could mean that Talisman is indeed Talisman, and Snowbird just has a guest appearance or something in Omega Flight...) :)
But like I said - it's a hunch.
Only time will tell, I would be annoyed if it was Snowbird with all the equipment of other Alpha Flight members. It should be Talisman, as even the Talisman has controlled the Great Beasts as well as summoned the Gods of the Arctic
That is potentially the most awesome thing that I have ever seen. A thing of beauty. You know that is going to get passed around the web as "real," don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius Bane
haha I hope so. Fill your boots, send er off, see what people say. I'd love to hear their reactions. It literally took me 30 seconds. I just wish I could find a career in this field! Pay some bills! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Captain Primate
I registered http://www.omegaflight.net. It was fun.
Uh, don't bother clicking on it because there's nothing there. It just forwards to alphaflight.net.
Love,
rplass
So umm...
where's Walt?
If anyone survived the collective it should have been him. Bring the furball back.
But anyway I like what I see so far. BRB is new to me somewhat bit from what I just read I like him.
I don't want that to be Mac in the suit. Enough is enough.
Talisman making a return would be great. Given the pouch Elizabeth becomes a huge force to deal with.
I can pass on the Spiderwoman and US Agent. Rehashes. Give me Puck and Sassy and all would be right.
Just a couple thoughts:
1) Human beings have been known to, time and again, survive horrific injuries. We're a much tougher species than we usually give ourselves credit for. There are stories of convicts in the early British "justice" system who'd take whippings of the lash -- enough so that bone was showing through in some places -- and then just don their shirts and walk away with the blood staining the cloth. Other men die under such punishment.
We're an odd bunch.
2) Corpses don't cry. Now go look at Mac's eye in that picture of the bodies in the snow.
3) I'm probably dead wrong. :)
In Earth X Mac's entire body excluding his head was destroyed yet he still survived due to his cybernetic parts...the same parts 616 Guardian has.
We think very much alike, Mreeez. Along with all the other brilliant story potential in having it be Mac in the suit, there's the added emotional punch of (potentially) being a single parent.
On the other hand, perhaps he's not the only member of Alpha to survive? Perhaps Alpha Flight is dead metaphorically speaking: they survived, they're retiring. Heather focusing on the other aspects of her life could be interesting as well. A liaison with Dept H, leaving the Hudson's to work in tandem.
It would be nice to see a Marvel book where there's not some kind of bizarre mandate for every relationship to be utterly dysfunctional. A solid, working marriage would be a pleasant change at this point.
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Originally Posted by mreeez
Um, why guess when you could read the issue to know it's Puck 2 from Volume 3?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
i think this is a dead giveaway who talisman will be, she is wearing a similar outfit, although shadowed, in the promo art.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...g/TALISMAN.jpg
heh, I was gonna do the same thing, you beat me to it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rplass
Ben
You may be over-thinking that a little. And perhaps under-examining. She's wearing a bomber jacket in that shot. In the cover image (and I think you're right as to the identity) her garb is just a shadowed-out version of northern native ceremonial dress. I even noticed what seems to be bells at the ankles. Reminded me of the "jingle dresses" I saw as part of the big pow-wow dances.Quote:
Originally Posted by varo
your probally right, but theres got to be a reason mike was drawing her for "research" :D
You know I'm a happy man if more of the old guard make an appearance. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by varo
Um, that's an easy one!Quote:
Originally Posted by kozzi24
Because I don't collect NEW AVENGERS. (Pretty much hate the roster they have so I have NO interest in dropping 2 to 3 bucks a month on it). I am a little more picky these days about what comics I pick up. (A house payment and two car payments tends to deplete the checking account rather quickly...)
Well keep in mind, with the post of that image he clearly states:Quote:
Originally Posted by varo
"and this Omega Fligth thing was a character study I did BEFORE THE TEAM WAS PICKED- so this has nothing to do with the story, it was just me thinking about Flight and yadda yadda."
Yah, but I really doubt that the characters from AF aren't James Hudson and Elizabeth Twoyoungmen. Too many reasons to think otherwise. Actually, I'd put only the identity of Spider-Woman as a 'who knows', although Mattie or Carpenter are so likely. :P
Seems the book will be out one month after Civil War #7, so hopefully that will be February, if not early March.
I'd rather see the old guard...period. :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Northcott
Dana
Great eye! I hadn't noticed that before. I'm hoping that that is Mac in the Guardian suit. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Northcott
I agree with both of ya'll. Mac was never given a chance to be a real leader. That's why I'm hoping that is Mac in the suit. So he can rightfully take the mantle as leader of Alpha/Omega Flight. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
Though this new team has some potential. I'd like to see the old Alpha too.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
I hope its a tear and not some melting snow on his face
If that's all it were, it would probably be more than one conveniently placed chunk of snow. I hope. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mos_def
You know what I dig about the promo cover? Look at Guardian's suit. It's glorious. You wouldn't think that a stylized maple leaf would be so damned hard for people to draw, but so many artists screw it right up. Here? Perfect. I'm digging that. And I'm digging that Elizabeth has more traditional garb as well.
I'm content. You know why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guardian
Because this line-up won't last forever, and in the meantime, we'll hopefully get some cool stories out of it.
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Originally Posted by Transmetropolitan
For me the sense of optimism comes from the interviews with the new creative team, and seeing Mike Oeming here, doing his research. He's not just asking what the fans prefer (which, let's face it, needs to be ignored to an extent), but doing quick research into where they come from and what makes that place tick.
I don't expect them to get it perfect -- they are, after all, looking in from the outside -- but the initiative in action, the consideration of the past, the fact that these two guys were fans long before they landed on the book, and the quality of their past work? These are all good things.
I'd have loved to tackle this book. But by God, if it wasn't me, I'm glad it was these guys. :)
Being the saddo fanboy that I am, I looked at that image in PSP. After much scrutiny I've almost convinced myself that that is a tear. Non of the other figures seem to have any material that could be snow on their bodies. As Ed pointed out as well, it is conveniently placed. I'm hoping/convinced :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Northcott
Yay. Another Alpha Flight book without Alpha flight. I'm so excited. I just can't hide it. :?
My feelings are mixed up at the mo'. I'm already crying; 'Another 'Alpha Flight' series without Alpha Flight'. :( (And it is, for all the name change. At least it's honest this time.) But why should I get excited about yet another book on the market? It has little to do with Alpha Flight.
But, Mike sounds good. Sounds like a good writer, with a love of the mystical storylines, which is part of what made the orginal series for me.
I like that style. This smacks, to me, of good, intelligent writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oeming
Mike's 'You can't just rock into Mordor' sig is painfully funny! I'm LOLling until it hurts!
He seems to have respect for the original series. But it seems I've heard those words before, and hated the run that followed.
It's occurred to me that publicity still is an homage to Excalibur #1. Subtler than most, but there you have it.
Also, please remember (with the Cap thing) that the interview talks about Scott's habit of changing costumes.
I recently read (about X-3) 'As long as you get your fave character on screen, even if there's a major change, you should be happy'. This comment reminds me of that. Sorry, Del, but I'm a fan of Alpha Flight. I busted my buns to be in Alpha Flight, I wanna be in Alpha Flight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delbubs
Why should a completely different team make me happy? Why should I get excited about a new Alpha Flight book when I already know I'm not getting one? A bunch of characters who I've never read before ('cept maybe the Spider-Woman) team up... So what?
Even if I love this book (which I demand may, or may not happen), that won't make it Alpha.
Hmm... I think I'll give it its own section. I will be picking it up, make no mistake about that.
I've been missing Talisman; I've noticed that of all Byrne's creations, she seems to be the only one we haven't really heard from. Yay! (To her return; that is so her coronet.)
Could be Snowbird, but I still think the Northern Lights are more Liz' signature than Birdie's.
They leak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northcott
I believe totally that an American who would protest an Australian as Captain America would have no trouble at all with a USAan in the Guardian outfit. Come to think of it, it's not like he's 'Captain Canada'.
from:
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82888
"Why not a South American one? Or an Australian team?
Is it because Canada is an English (in addition to French) speaking country?"
Hey! We speak English here, too! To read makes the talking English good!
Oh, and 'Alpha' and 'Omega' are Greek, not Latin! Who wrote this thing?!
"I think it has to be more “character” based than “action” based. There has to be action in every issue, but it has to revolve around character. Flight at its best has always been about the characters. When [John] Byrne first did Flight, that’s what made it special."
Damn straight!
Canucklehead, I love that first one, the omega within a leaf.
- Mik
"For I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End."
- God
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82888
Oh geez, a cold shiver just went down my spine. I think Mac is dead and this is... well I don't know who it is. But, if Mac isn't in the suit then I'm not sure I will bother with the title. Yes, I feel that strongly about it.Quote:
NRAMA: All right, moving along… Is that Guardian, Vindicator? Is it James Hudson, or someone else?
MO: It’s the Guardian/Vindicator outfit that’s for sure [laughs])
Which makes me believe Mac is definitely not in the Guardian suit, since he would be the strongest link to the team's past. *sigh* I think nothing's changed at Marvel. :cry:Quote:
NRAMA: Finally, the last character… speculation has ranged from Storm, to Talisman, to Snowbird…what can you say at this juncture?
MO: I'll say that she is the strongest link to Flight’s past, spiritually inheriting the team... Oh crap, that could be either character, can't it?
If TPTB at Marvel wanted Alpha Flight to have been a success then they should have put more effort/money into doing so. Poor creative team after poor creative team ruined the title the first time. The serious lack of anything Alpha, the lame newbie characters and lousy writing tanked Vol. 2. The third series should never have been considered let alone produced. If this time around Marvel tries harder to make the Flight work because it's made up of mostly Americans... well, that doesn't really make me feel better.Quote:
NRAMA: Okay, any parting thoughts, first impressions you want to leave readers with for the next few months while they await the debut of the series?
MO: I guess I just want to impress on the reader that Marvel is really behind this. They don’t just want another Alpha Flight book, this isn't about nostalgia, they want Flight to be a success, be as strong as their strongest books, not just a strong “filler” series.
1. Oh man. I don't like the "sound" of that first comment either. If Mac isn't in the Guardian suit then, I will have a hard time spending my money on this title as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
2. Same as above. Man I really hate Marvel sometimes. I think most of the time nowadays Joe Q. and the bunch have no idea what they're doing.
3.Man I'm a bit worried. I miss the old Flight. Alpha Flight should be strongly Canadian as Captain America would be American or Union Jack be British/English.
Should we be excited? - Well in the sense that it's not really Alpha Flight, probably not. Then again what has been 'really Alpha Flight' since #28 vol 1. So many false dawns, writers portraying them as third rate Avenger wannabee's or a very bad circus act with villians that rival Doctor Decibel for galactic threat. So Alpha as a concept doesn't really work.
When it was first built, it was a beautiful thing, but years of neglect has left it derelict and tottering, ready for collapse. I suppose we can continue patching it up, but that way it will never get back to what it was, or we can knock it down and rebuild from the foundations, keeping the best aspects from the original to be incorporated into the new.
I'm willing to give it a go, you can normally gauge what's going too happen within the first few issues. It may not be Alpha Flight, but it's the nearest we're gonna get.
The above ramblings we're bought to you courtesy of my eight month old grand daughter, who does not take into consideration that 'grand dads only had three hours sleeep'.
So says Marvel...again and again (I just emailed Joe Quesada and he responded with more hogwash, just like at the time of Vol 3)...But hello! Give the freakin' original Alpha Flight a try (which Marvel hasn't since vol. 1)....MAYBE it will work...These boneheads(meaning Marvel) shouldn't keep saying it doesn't work until it's been actually tried.....GAAAAH! :xQuote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Why not just give them a good shine and start rebuilding...The first story arc could be about that rebuilding...It might make for some good story-telling. Get a head count of the dead, missing and maimed and make a slamming team with the survivors (both old and new). The original team (I mean Mac, Heather, Puck, Sasquatch and Shaman) should not be left dead...They're important to the origins of the team, just as Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Wasp, etc...are to the Avengers (same applies to the X-Men's Cyclops, Beast, Angel, Jean, etc... Why else are they continually brought back, again and again (in various team line-ups and relaunches)? Why does Marvel do it with every other team, but not AF? :xQuote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Some of us don't want yet ANOTHER stand-in team. We MAY give it a try, but I for one, don't give a crap about Beta Ray Bill, U.S.Agent and Julia Carpenter/Arachne...And that will decide if we continue to buy it. It may crash and burn faster than Vol. 3...Who knows?Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Sure, I want to see Talisman and Guardian again...But I want to see them fighting along-side Shaman, Snowbird, Sasquatch, Vindicator, Puck, Northstar and Aurora...Not a bunch of Force Works cast-offs in an Avengers-Wannabee team.
Dana
EDITED to fix some irritating typos.
Oh I know it won't be AF. I'm just tired of hearing everyone talk like the characters and the team's premise were the reason the original title kept failing. It wasn't. It was an utter lack of ability and creativity on the part of the various writers and a lack of commitment from Marvel.
If there was a failure when it came to AF the company shouldn't blame their product.
You are SO right, Legerd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
Dana
Yup, I agree totally. I'm not going to buy a series just for Talisman...Sorry Elizabeth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guardian
Ditto! they don't learn from their mistakes and they don't listen. They'll sell hundreds (maybe thousands/millions) of Toybiz John Byrne Alpha Flight action figures, Marvel Legends Sasquatch figures and Alpha Flight Heroclix/Beanz/etc...But they won't give the original team line-up a chance at their own series? What a bunch of dimbulbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guardian
You know it...For that matter...ANY team calling itself Omega Flight (and based in Canada!!!) should really be mostly Canadian too (it doesn't make any kind of sense, that they're not). :xQuote:
Originally Posted by Guardian
Dana
Keep something in mind folks, this is the starting lineup for the team. Guess what? LOTS of people are buzzing about this book, and it will draw lots of people in from the looks of it.
Ben
In laymans terms, Alpha Flight is f.u.b.a.r. Your right, it is wrong for Marvel to blame the product, they should be looking at themselves for ever allowing Seagle and Lobdell to further damage an already damaged concept. So what should they do ? Slap a plaster on it and hope the wounds will heal. "Lets just do it as Alpha Flight, with very little or no damage repair, that'll keep the Alpha fans happy". From what I'm hearing here, it prolly would keep us happy, but AF vol 4 goes the way of all flesh after a x amount of issues. So instead they ask Mike Oeming to do a major repair job which will prolly involve concepts that don't immediately appeal to the fans. What should we do, ***** about it before we even see what Oeming is gonna do or wait and see?
When we see that Mac isn't in the team, then surely that is the time to *****? When we see Omega Flight become Avengers North in all but name, then that's the time to *****. Negativity breeds further negativity, lets give Oeming the benefit of the doubt for now and ***** like unpaid whores if it all goes tits up. Not much to ask.
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