Molson hopefully! 100% Canadi.... wait, they're half American now. Oh well, we still have our Alpha Flight book which is 100% Canadi... ahh s***.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
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Molson hopefully! 100% Canadi.... wait, they're half American now. Oh well, we still have our Alpha Flight book which is 100% Canadi... ahh s***.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
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Taken from http://forum.alphaflight.net/viewtop...t=1390&start=0Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
Exhausted after a long day I decided to let you answer your own question :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
I asked a question? :?
Note I said:
"...I would like to see Wolverine join the team for a lttle while. Just long enough to get non-AF fans reading the book. The same goes for any other hero who is shipped in to join the team. Get them in, attract new fans, move the heroes on."
The important part to what I posted is the new heroes would join the team not replace the team. But you can relax DB the cup comment I made was only meant as a joke, not a shot at the OF book. :)
I know Legerd, hence the bit about Wine Tasting. I actually stumbled across that quote by yourself by accident. That thread is interesting though given the amount of people who thought along those lines.
You guys sure seem to like liquor references.
I bet Mokole has something with his Civil War post, about how AF fits in. Cool.
If File 42 is a prison thing, sure why not, that may be where AF shows up, or helping, or fighting, or showing up in New York and sticking their tongues out at Iron Man. Because they are then anti-sra, people look to them for help. Why not?
And Ben knows more than the rest of you? What would that be? Too secret information!
Since talk of a new AF (or whatever) title began, I thought that Wolvie would make a good addition for a few reasons. Onem he was originally intended to lead the team to begin with. Two, he's happy enough working for the American governemt, so why not the Canadian. It's certainly no worse, no better. Three, he's very popular.
As for Omega Flight and it's motely line-up, I think that the idea was to break "the glass" completely, reestablish the credibility of Marvel Canada unhindered by preconceived notions of the good or bad runs, and then maybe perhaps begin to gradually reintroduce something more classic.
It is of course an absurd suggestion that the premise or make-up of the original Byrne/Claremont Alpha Flight, as they appeared in the UXM was flawed. They didn't spin their own title out of a handful of appearances in UXM cause fans thought they sucked.
And it was precisely a succesive string of bad writers with all kinds of convoluted ideas that destroyed the title until it became the joke embodied in vol.3.
But what has been written has been written. And whether or not Marvell wants to enforce continuity, all the crap is still in the minds of fans. So break the fricking glass, by all means.
I've heard that Oeming is a great writer, so I look forward to seeing where he takes us. No it's not Alpha Flight. And as a fan of the classic idea of AF, all I can say at this point is, thank ye gods!!
Hopefully the switch of the name from Alpha to Omega isn't an allusion to what is planned for MU Canada if this title flops.
Great points there. But I would hate to see Wolverine in this new title. I know he was "supposed" to originaly lead the team but, he's in every other frickin' title in the Marvel line-up. And I quite frankly am sick and tired of him. I tolerate him in New Avengers only because of Spider-Woman and Captain America.
I really, really hate Bendis by the way. :evil:
What do you guys think of these? Anyone stand out to you?
http://geocities.com/davidchenard99/omegalogosnew.gif
I'm quite taken with the fifth one (bottom right). That fractured Maple Leaf design immediately caught my eye.
Guardian. Apart from killing off the classic Alpha Flight off panel, what exactly has Mr Bendis done to you, to deserve your disdain :?: :? :)
Thanks, that's my favorite too (that's why it's the biggest :wink: )
Here's some more title banners:
http://geocities.com/davidchenard99/omegalogosnew2.gif
Ahhhh... tempted out of lurkdom by the smell of a new series. :)
Hiya everyone! Im cautiously optimistic about Omega Flight. Am pretty sure that we have a good idea of who the members are. Im just hoping its not Wolvie in the Guardian suit. :D
Canucklehead! Fantastic logo work! My favorite is still the first omega in the maple leaf, though the simpler version also looks cool.
Canucklehead: first pic; top right. I like the white / red combo.
The second pic: last logo.
- le Messor
"An act of courage is not done by someone who is fearless, but by someone who is filled with fear and does it anyway."
My "This looks like a cool book with ties to a concept I enjoy" sense has gone off. I think Omega Flight will be good, and fun.
My Alpha Flight sense isn't tingling.
Some of you know that having both those words on a cover once a month is nowhere near enough to make Alpha Flight to me. One doesn't even come close.
I'm going to keep this one in 'Marvel Misc' until it's big enough to move out on its own.
So...
Marvel do a few things, make a couple of character choices, that imply a new Alpha Flight series is in the works.
Rumours start to fly.
They grow. We hear about characters not being usable because somebody wants them later. More rumours.
We question Marvel; loose talk and innuendo.
Then, finally, announcement! We hear about a new series that is definitely in the works!
The writer talks to one or all of us. He tells us that he's a fan of the old series, really respects Alpha Flight, especially the Byrne years.
We decide we respect his courage in talking directly to us, the fans. We don't want to scare him off.
So we try, some of us, to beoptimistic in front of him.
Then we see the first image; speculation and more rumours. Who are these people? What characters are we seeing? Some of them are clearly Alphans...
But then we find out that even some of the Alphans aren't Alphans; just characters based on them.
But the arguments start. "That's not Alpha!"
"It says Alpha Flight."
"I want more than those words."
"This is the only way we'll get Alpha Flight; you have to show loyalty to the book."
"This isn't the book. This is not what I signed on for."
"What if X-Men readers had said that about Gt Sized #1?"
"What if? They still got a team of strangers. Is it supposed to make them feel better that this alien title that has nothing to do with their comic was good for a while, and is still insanely successful? How does that help if it's not their book?"
"Just give it a chance, is all I ask. We want Alpha Flight, don't we?"
"Yes. But that picture is not a picture of Alpha Flight."
etc...
Am I the only one who 'Wow, this is familiar'?
- Le Messor
"Right now, I have déjÃ* vu and amnesia at the same time."
- Steve Wright
OK, last annoying thing I'll post, honest lol
http://geocities.com/davidchenard99/...lightcover.jpg
Canucklehead, I know sod all about graphical fingemies, but as much as I love that mock up, I think it would have a bigger impact if the Flight part was a little jazzier. Just a suggestion :-)
BTW, nothing annoying about those graphics whatsoever.
Hey thanks for the suggestion, much appreciated. I had tried a bolder "Flight", but it kind of became a block and my eyes didn't know where to look. I'm partially dislexic so everything I design needs to have a big contrast lol. I will take your suggestion and try to make the Flight jazzier or sexier.Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
OK, just making sure. I hate posting multiple things not knowing if people are saying "God, not another one! We don't care about your stupid pictures!" lol
I have to agree and disagree with this. Even the great John Byrne has said he sent this team on the road to doom. It was never intended to be an ongoing series, and the first death of Guardian pretty much laid the groundwork for the eventual failure of the book. So, even the writer we all profess to be the best Alpha has ever had is responsible in some way for their demise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
I say give Oeming Flight a try and see what comes of it. It could be really cool down the road to see the orginals come in as a rival outfit, with Mac ripping the suit off of the imposter Guardian for a major reveal.
Here's some retro titles: :P
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Originally Posted by Canucklehead
Yes, that's better, the first one, I mean. As for the Beer, I don't like Molson, I'm a Unibroue fan (Now your talking about beer that taste something!) and I don't mind Sleeman.
After pondering Omega Flight during the weekend, my opinion on the new series has changed. I'M FREAKING STOKED!
Guardian is back. Sweet!
Elizabeth is on the team. Great!
(Sure it may not be Mac or Elizabeth, but Im being optimistic)
As long as they don't do something silly like put an American in the Guardian suit I think Im going to love this new series.
Im putting my faith in the creative team.
As much as Marvel pisses me off sometimes, I dig some of their other recent moves.
Iron Fist getting his own series again. Moon Knights ongoing. Heroes For Hire. Omega Flight. Now if only Darkhawk can get his own series back. ;)
MikeM
I went on Saturday, missed the panel with Joe Quesada and Marvel's upcoming plans :( , talked briefly with Michael Golden, picked up two more AFV1 back issues for a dollar each, and tried to get Keith Pollard to look at my work, but he was busy drawing commission sketches. I talked with some of the independent/self-published creators, who looked at my stuff and offered some helpful suggestions, just like...
...Mike Oeming, who I got to talk to. My biggest concern was finding out if "Mailman Mike" from NA#16 was going to be on this new team. I was told he would not be on the team, that the new series would pay homage to the old AF, and that more characters (not pictured) from the old series would be included. Mr. Oeming, who was sketching at the time, even took a few moments to look at my work and assess it. He told me that I should work on tightening my pencil-work for a better foundation, and I'll do that.
All the other questions I could've and should've asked him didn't come to me until I was on my way home. Personally, I'd feel a little bit better about the upcoming OMEGA FLIGHT series if the shadowed figures didn't remind me of volume 3's shadowed characters. However, if new fans can be introduced to the Alpha Flight universe this way, and old fans can get a decent treatment of the old characters, I think Marvel will be on the right track.
I just hope they don't make the mistake of thinking that OF is going to automatically be a cash-cow, because there is still a sense of wait-and-see wariness hovering over this series.
That's absolutely true B13 about JB's AF. He did set them up to be temporary, but they weren't. And it doesn't matter what his intentions were, if the fans wanted the book then Marvel should have put a creative team on it that would do it justice. Instead we got year after year of mediocre stories and art with the team running in circles never growing or developing. Then, when there was finally some decent work being done, the book is cancelled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barnacle13
As for OF, I hope it does well. I just don't want to be disappointed again by alot of cryptic promises and half-revealed inticements about an AF-esque series. Of course...
...This gives me hope. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
Mr. Oeming said that was the case in one of the Newsarama interviews...This is Alpha Flight's last stand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Powersurge
I won't comment further on that, because I'm trying very hard to control my anger.
Dana
I agree, Legerd...John Byrne has also said that he tried pitching a Northstar and Aurora series (I don't recall if it was to be a mini or an ongoing), but Jim Shooter (EIC at the time) rejected it. He has said he enjoyed writing Heather Hudson too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
Sure, Alpha Flight were meant to be one-note heroes, but they grew far beyond that.
I also agree about the lack of commitment on Marvel's part and the bad writing/art being responsible for Alpha's downfall. It's not AF's fault that their series(all of them) failed...The concept itself, is not to blame.
Dana
In the name of God, why? No animals were harmed in the production of this comic (probably). No typhoons hit. No bodies were secretly laid in the concrete of a building's foundation (that I know of).Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
The birds sing, the wind blows, the sky is still above and the earth below. All is good in the real world.
So some fictional characters get the shaft. And? Yes, it sucks. It's no fun for the fans, and it's remarkably bad decision-making from the editorial staff at Marvel for volumes 2 & 3. (I've got much higher expectations for Omega, given the rep of the creative team.)
Yes, this is Alpha's last chance. Absolutely. For now. Kind of. Let's face it, "reality" changes as often as the people in charge. Quesada won't be in charge forever, editorial staff change, and sooner or later, one way or another, old properties get revived. Alpha did very well at one point. This is, in itself, proof that the concept is not unsellable. Those who claim that it is are merely trying to cover up their failure with excuses.
Sooner or later it will be done right. Someone will have an idea, it'll stick, and things will fly. In the meantime, there are more productive things to get worked up about.
All positive concepts are viable if presented properly. So I think it's a well established and agreed upon fact that it is not Alpha Flight the concept that is the problem!
One of the things I am having trouble with is this anger. Three weeks back we had nothing, now we have a new series that although not Alpha, will have characters from Alpha being portrayed and most probably playing a big part. We've established that Alpha as it stands at the moment is so damaged that it wouldn't work without some external propping up. That again is still not good enough, we want our Alpha and we want it now.
Marvel wouldn't countenence a new Alpha, so Mike Oeming offers us the next best thing, still not good enough. Mike Oeming studies up on Alpha by visiting here, Kollins has said that he is a fan of Alpha Flight and has been waiting years to do this, still not good enough.
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Ed...I have every right to be angry about the current state of Alpha Flight (and duh...We all know they're fictional)...Don't presume to tell me how I should feel. I happen to like the characters of the original Alpha Flight..So sue me, if I get peeved that they've been "killed off, shoved into limbo, ignored, written to look like jokes, etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Northcott
I have no problem interpreting the differences between reality and fiction, contrary to what your implying or what you may believe. you can keep the subtle insults about my mental state to yourself.
Yes...I know Alpha Flight may come back (at some point...maybe when Joke Quesada is no longer EIC), but that's no gaurantee their return will be any better than Vols 2 or 3.
BTW...All is not good in the real world (not that I usually let it get me down)...Where have you been?
Dana :P
OK. Canucklehead, great job!
I like in the 5 pic one the one on bottom left, great shoulder patch!
Of the title ones I like the one DelBubs is using on his sig the most, But of your other three, the middle one with a fatter black Flight is the best.
They should talk to you about using your logos in the series! I am getting more excited just seeing your work, hope Marvel can do as good.
In your opinion (and apparently Joke Quesada's)...Not mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Damn straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Mike O may be doing research on Alpha here...That's fine, but is that supposed to appeal to me, when the bulk of the characters he's writing about are of no interest to me?Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Mr. Oeming may also be offering the next best thing...but if it's not what I want to read(with mostly characters I don't want to read about)...then no..Of course, It isn't good enough (how much clearer can I be on that?).
Dana
Okay Dana, I believe you've made your point. Every body is perfectly aware of where you stand on this issue. Can I suggest that maybe you should step away from this issue now, as it is obviously causing you some distress, otherwise you wouldn't have taken Eds off the cuff remarks so much to heart.
This thread is to discuss the new OMEGA FLIGHT comic by Oeming and Kolins. Your views on it are widely known. I can't see what else you can offer this thead, as you have obviously made up your mind about it already.
Thank you for the kind words Roland! I'm creating these many logos because the last one for V3, to me, was such an eye-sore. I want to make the perfect one most people like then send it to Marvel and see what happens. I'll keep workin on 'em. 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by RolandT
I think everyone on this list is at best cautiously optimistic, and at worst unhappy that they aren't getting a true Alpha Flight. I agree with Del, Alpha Flight the concept is not the problem. If they were, then they'd have appeared in Uncanny X-Men all those years ago and disappeared. This forum wouldn't be up and operational, and folks wouldn't be elated or pissed by the news of Oeming Flight.
As someone who tries to fill in every hole in my Alpha Flight collection, including cameos as small as the Aurora cover in Ms.Marvel, I'll be buying. Consider it a cameo if you must, but it will include at least some of the characters I've grown to love over the years. I can't see folks hanging around for Beta Ray Bill, USAgent, or Arachne for an extended period of time. I could be wrong about that though. I'm a little interested in the Arachne/Spider-Woman character, but the other two not so much. However, I will give Oeming and Kollins a chance to change my perspective on these characters. Talisman I couldn't be happeir to read more about and Guardian (regardless of who is in the suit) could lead to some good stories also. I know everyone wants Mac to be Guardian, but it would open some interesting stories up if he weren't. Especially if Mac, Heather, Sas, and Puck survived and come back to reclaim their identities.
Oeming has said there are older Alphans waiting to be reintroduced. Until he gives me a reason to disbelieve I will take his word for it. Marvel has to know that Guardian, Sasquatch, and Puck are fan favorites. I can't see them burying them for long. It may take a few issues to start seeing these folks, but I believe they will eventually be back. V2 was headed in that direction before the plug was pulled. They just didn't get there quick enough. I think V3 failed because the first thing they did was jettison the originals. Well that and crappy storytelling.
Color me cautiously optimistic. I'm exited to have at least some Alphans to read about again and will give Oeming Flight a chance to stand on its own before throwing stones and shooting it down. If there's any chance of seeing Alpha Flight any time soon, I think Omega has to be a success. I'm willing to support that endeavor.
As I mentioned earlier.. if you're still reading Mike. Make sure Marvel gives you the marketing you require. Make sure subscription service is available and advertised. Don't let Marvel leave you and, in the balance, us out to dry. This was once a hot property and if treated properly it can be again.
Tom
Just a thought, but to pay homage it'd be great if somehow an alpha were hidden in the image. May be asking for too much, but it would be cool!Quote:
Originally Posted by Canucklehead
A-friggin-men on that. Though I collected ALPHA FLIGHT all the way through volume 1, even Vol 2 (which started good, and went down hill quickly), and managed Vol 3 as well... I agree. The real Alpha Flight ceased to be around issue #28 of volume 1. (Some would even say after issue #12...)Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Which is funny in a way - as he never, apparently, wanted to write an ALPHA FLIGHT series; and the characters were basically cardboard cut outs to take on the X-Men (in UXM #120-121).Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Now if ALPHA FLIGHT had ended with issue #12 (or #28) of volume one, I don't think asking for the original flight to come back would be that big of a deal. But go back and re-read ALL of the issues. Don't go off of memory - actually go back and read the issues. Writers DESTROYED Alpha Flight with VERY bad writing as the series went on in Vol 1. So many things done TO the characters, that essentially ruined them.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
Vindicator (Mac) - Dead. Back. Dead. Back. Dead. Back. Clone. Dead. Back.
Guardian (Heather) - Alive. Loves Mac. Mac dies. Oh, love Jeffry Madison. Oh, kill Snowbird. Oh! Mac's back!
Sasquatch - Alive. Dead. Take over Snowbird. I'm a woman. I'm a man.
Snowbird - I'm alive. I'm dead. Sas has my body. Look, I'm cloned!
Puck - I'm short. Oh, no, there's some evil spirit living in me.
Northstar - I'm alive. I'm dead. I'm alive. I'm an elf. No, it's a lie. I am human.
Aurora - I'm alive. I suffer from MPD. No, wait, Schizophranic now. No. Now my abilities are all changed. I'm okay. No. I'm not.
Shaman - I'm alive. Whoops, sorry daughter. Now I'm Talisman. Now I'm all messed in the head. No, back to Shaman now.
Well... it goes on and on and on. But as you can see, the core of ALPHA FLIGHT has been SEVERELY damaged.
And it gets no better. Vol 2 brought in a mess of inconsistencies (clones and what not), and Vol 3, Oh, we're in space - alive and well - um, we think...
Alpha Flight is VERY damaged goods... as much as I hate to admit it.
So I can see why they'd stray away from using the core Flight. However, in time, if there's a series - say, like OMEGA FLIGHT - where core Alpha members could appear - and with any luck, and some solid writing - get those characters "fixed"... who knows what may happen down the line. We have like 5 different X-Men titles... we have 2 (or more) Avengers related titles... if Omega Flight sees some success... we may see some more Flight related stuff.
I can't help but wonder just before UNCANNY X-MEN #94 and GIANT SIZE X-MEN #1 came out if people were screaming the same thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
I wouldn't blame Marvel. I'd blame the writers. Alpha Flight, all things considered, got a pretty good push. They had little ads in Marvel, they were also used for the "Monthly Subscription" image where Sas is holding them up... more treatment that the New Warriors, for example, ever got.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
However, ALPHA FLIGHT was plagued with bad writers between Bryne's departure and then Lobell's introduction (who I think did a fair job with Alpha Flight, considering the damaged goods they were by the time they were handed over to him).
For the ALPHA FLIGHT series figures (not the Marvel Legends) - I am going to have to disagree on their "success" factor. Shortly after going on sale, I found them available - by the BUNDLES - in a bargain bin at Toys R Us for like 4 dollars a piece, down from their 7.99 they were originally fetching just a few months before.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
Well, here's the thing - you got ONE thing right so far. This is NOT Alpha Flight, nor is it pretending to be Alpha Flight. Sure it may have some Alpha Flight "roots" - but look at the title - it's called OMEGA Flight not ALPHA Flight.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
If you throw Hawkeye on the Thunderbolts - does that completely change the Thunderbolts team to a "cheap Avengers" team? Not at all. The Thunderbolts have a unique motif, despite a BUNCH of ties to the Avengers. Just because you have Mac, and someone else who appears to be tied to Alpha Flight (the Talisman one) - does not mean it IS Alpha Flight... because, well, it's not. It's OMEGA Flight.
In terms of plastering an old house vs bulldozing an old house... as a newly formed home owner (well it's been a year now) - all things considered to "plaster" the old house and patch it up does not even COMPARE to tearing it down and building a new house. A plastered up house would NEVER fetch anywhere as much as a newly bulldozed and reconstructed house. Trust me.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
One has to keep in mind - this is a business. If the first issue (or first couple issues) is all about "repairing" ALPHA FLIGHT, any potential new readers are going to drop the book in a heart beat as there's going to be constant foot notes of "See Alpha Flight v1 #37 for more", "See Alpha Flight v1 #121 for more", "See Alpha Flight v2 #5 for more", "See Alpha Flight v1 #58 for more", "See Uncanny X-Men #109 for more", "See Alpha Flight v3 #5 for more"... That's just going to be WAY too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
HOWEVER, if you take a "new concept" - so it's inviting to new readers, and hopefully if old readers are patient (and demand it enough) - we just might see some "fixing" of the old done over time.
Starting off "fixing" Alpha Flight is a poor way to handle a new series - considering the EXTENSIVE damage done to ALPHA FLIGHT over the years.
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Wha-?! It does mean it can't be AF...It's called Omega Flight and it's roster is made up of Force Works/Thor cast-offs with one former AF member...How the heck can it ever be Alpha Flight?! I don't buy it (and it's highly probable that I won't buy it when it comes out either).
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Are you reading the same previews as me? I could swear it's called OMEGA FLIGHT... not "ALPHA FLIGHT" like you keep saying?!
While I am not a fan of JQ, for the most part... that email states the very truth. Alpha Flight has flopped several times. But these are writers who came up with a concept they enjoyed - and the Alpha Flight fans did not enjoy it. It's not like Marvel comes up with the concept and hands it to a writer. Writers are coming up with them and handing them to Marvel. It flopped because fans didn't like it. So what's to do? Try something with a different twist...Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
You know Del called you pestimestic... and I would have to agree... but the above... man, that's the MOST Optimistic thing I have EVER heard of...Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
Okay - so do me a favor - cliff note version - how would YOU "clean up" Alpha Flight within 32 pages?
A-friggin-men. Another good example of this is Chris Claremont himself. Look at the amazing work he did with Uncanny X-Men #94 and all the way through - what - #166 or whatever? Some AMAZING writing. Some of the best, for that matter. But look at his "return" to the X-Men with the Neo and what not - a complete and utter flop, and some of the worse of the X-Men stories read in a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by syvalois
Tell me - how is it you don't have a job with Marvel doing this kind of stuff yet!!?!??!Quote:
Originally Posted by Canucklehead
Well one thing - remember just because they do shove an American in the Guardian suit - doesn't mean that he wouldn't want to be there to defend Canada and know where his roots (for the costume come from)!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius Bane
As for Darkhawk series... I agree. But he seems busy in RUNAWAYS from my understanding. :) And to pimp - there's talk and fellow Darkhawk fans over on the New Warriors.com forums. (If you were interested in joining over there!) ;)
Well the good thing is - there is - as stated - a buzz about this series. That alone should continue and generate interest - and make people curious enough to check out the comic, new and old readers alike. I know that once the New Warriors got mentioned (and since Civil War), my NewWarriors.com site has been slammed with hits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
Couldn't agree more. I run NewWarriors.com (man, how many times am I gonna pimp that in the last three quotes?!?) and had the great fortune of watching a version of the New Warriors get killed - namely, Namorita, perhaps one of my favorite female characters - ever - in any comic. (Fellow New Warriors fans are probably painful familiar with my... slight... infatuation with her!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Northcott
Was I upset? Surprisingly, no. Why? Because I know eventually some writer will bring her back (via clone or some other story...) The way I see it, it's fictional characters. My days of being bent out of shape over what they do are long over. I watched Thor "give up" and watched that series end (one of my favorite super heroes, hands down). I watched the Warriors Three all die... I watched Sif die... I watched Valkyrie die... I have watched a lot of character I care about find their way six feet under... but I can't find myself getting upset anymore. Maybe it's because I am older (certainly not wiser)... I don't know. I just can't find myself getting bent about the fate of fictional characters anymore... And it's certainly not because I "don't care" - or else I wouldn't be paying monthly to maintain NewWarriors.com... I wouldn't be running an eGroup for New Warriors... I wouldn't be posting on Alpha Flight's forum... I do care about these characters. But I also realize this is entertainment... writing... it's like when they kill off Flint in Dragonlance - I cried. Sure. But it wasn't the end of the world for me. :) (Ah... Dragonlance... writing doesn't get better than that!) :) So I think that's how I view comics now - as one long (and often, very convoluted novel)...
I think the issue and the jokes about reality and fictional is coming from your anger about ALPHA FLIGHT and blasting about it in the OMEGA FLIGHT (based) thread... so everyone's associating your "anger" about "This is not Alpha Flight" - and everyone thinking, "Well, we know that - this is Omega Flight."Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
But all in all - when it all really comes down to it - everyone's gonna do what they wanna do. Whether they pick up the issue or protest it... :)
NOMINATED FOR LONGEST POST - EVER.
This post contains: Sugar, Sodium, Sucralose, and Sarcasm.
I agree whole heartedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
I also second the nomination for longest post.
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I don't see Ed's remarks as "off the cuff", they were downright nasty. He implied more than once in his post that I seem to have some issue with separating reality and fiction. The man doesn't know me and has no right to make such assumptions about me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
I guess If you feel I have nothing left to say, then I'll leave...You must know best.
Dana
P.S. The title of the thread is Alpha/Omega, Del...You titled it yourself.
If you can find in my post where I expressly told you how to feel, by all means quote it and I'll apologize directly. I lead off with "In the name of God, why?" for a reason. You're confusing question and statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
I think that sentiment is pretty much unanimous in this forum.Quote:
I happen to like the characters of the original Alpha Flight..So sue me, if I get peeved that they've been "killed off, shoved into limbo, ignored, written to look like jokes, etc...
You're crediting me with too great a degree of subtlety. I implied nothing. If I believed you had a tenuous grasp on reality, I'd come out and say it directly. I do believe, however, that you're getting far too worked up over this... which was the point of my prior post. There are far greater things to be concerned about. If the state of Alpha Flight gets you this worked up, I can't even conceive of how taxes, family, mortgage payments, etc, must stress you out.Quote:
I have no problem interpreting the differences between reality and fiction, contrary to what your implying or what you may believe.
No, that's not a dig. Quit thinking I'm being subtle.
Again, you credit me with too much subtlety. I do think you're being extremely thin-skinned, reactionary, and barbed in responses. I am large, and I am white. That doesn't make it cool to project all over me.Quote:
you can keep the subtle insults about my mental state to yourself.
An unfortunate truth.Quote:
Yes...I know Alpha Flight may come back (at some point...maybe when Joke Quesada is no longer EIC), but that's no gaurantee their return will be any better than Vols 2 or 3.
In my basement, drawing comics. I finally emerged to play in a softball tournament this weekend, and now I'm lobster-ish in hue.Quote:
BTW...All is not good in the real world (not that I usually let it get me down)...Where have you been?
I had enough trouble getting the pronounciation of "Dana" right. Adding in the "thhppppp!" at the end of the name each time is going to be difficult.Quote:
Dana :P
Sorry. Couldn't resist that last. :)
Whoa! Reign it in a bit! I don't think anyone's asking you to "leave" - like "Shoo, go away!" I think it's more like - you have made your statement about the disappoint in this series "calling itself a cheap knock off of Alpha Flight" - and you have CLEARLY stated it. I kid you not, when I read your posts - I can almost hear you screaming at me (even if the posts aren't directed at me), because they are pretty clear in their intent and anger.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
For example, your response to Del - that just came off very angry and a tad spiteful. All Del is trying to do is what his "job" is here and moderate things and bring back a sense of peace around here. I mean, rather than take what Del said into consideration (basically everyone calming the frick down), you basically said, "Screw you, I am taking my toys and going home!"
I think all anyone is asking - that everyone (myself included, mind you) - who is wrapped about the "debate" of Alpha Flight/Omega Flight - to take a step back and just "discuss" the idea of it - not battle about whether it's Alpha Flight, a knock off of Alpha Flight, or anything else. For that, I think it would be better off making a new thread to state those feelings about what you think Marvel has done to fubar Alpha Flight.
That's just my take.
PMing this to you also, in case you don't check this thread (or forum)....
At this point I'm asking for all messages in regards to this to be taken to PM. I am ready to listen to well reasoned discussion on the pro's and cons of Omega Flight, but personal discord shouldn't be aired in public.
Thanks
Well Del I don't give a damn WHAT you want! That's right! I said it!Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Er. Just kidding man... :D
Well like I said before - I am eager to see what comes of OMEGA FLIGHT. Unlike previous writers of ALPHA FLIGHT, Oeming at least seems like he is genuiely interested in what he has in store.
My qualm so far lies in "Beta Ray Bill" - not that he's on the team - but why does he look like... BOX?! (Or is it a BOX version fo Beta Ray Bill?! Egads!) :D But seriously BRB's arms were never the size of cannons... and the metal glove... what's with that!?
I do however REALLY like how everyone else is drawn (though most are shadows, you can still see the artistic styel there). It's only BRB that I really have an issue with how he's being drawn.