Alpha/Omega

A friend mentioned this after I showed him this site:

" Maybe with Civil War the thing is Thor is stomping guys and who can stop him? Beta Ray Bill could at least get in his way. And Iron Man, who's going to get in his way and give the anti-sra forces a chance to escape? Guardian could stand up to shellhead. If anyone else gets in the way Talisman could easily throw some distractions at them, and thus Beta Ray and Guardian get in the way and Cap's guys run away after a quick thank you. Besides, they could argue they needed to save honest heroes from guys trying to kill them, so SHIELD would just ghhhrrr and walk away mad. "

I'm Ok with the lineup. I must admit I know next to nothing about Beta Ray Bill. I've never been a Thor fan (methinks his speech giveveth me a headache), so I've not really seen much BRB. If Arachne is Julia Carpenter, I read her and USAgent extensively when they were part of Avengers West. I think what I loved about them is that they were completely touchable, unlike the East Coast branch who you couldn't stick a turd to. Yeah USAgent was always a bit of a hothead and loose cannon, but I can deal with that. Spider-Woman had a great back story with being a single parent. That could come into play if we find out Mac or Heather bought the farm in NA#16. She could really support emotionally the survivor of that battle. Talisman I'm stoked to see more of. I always liked Shaman and Talisman. She seemed the stronger of the two both powerwise and emotionally. So, I'm good with her being on the team. Guardina is the real question here. I'd love to see it be Mac, but there are a lot of possibilities for conflict if it isn't him. I'm not sure which side of the fence I'll end up on that question. Could make for some amazing drama. Or consider an issue #12 where Guardian is killed by Vindicator (Mac) for hijacking his dream. I'd also like to see Sasquatch face off against BRB. Imagine Tanaraq taking control of Walter. What a savage contest that would be.

I'm excited about the potential. And like Dana a bit disappointed it isn't Alpha Flight. But logically Alpha Flight might not have flown on its own anyway. After the last treatment I think a lot of comic collectors are staying away from anything Alpha. This has stirred some excitement and that is a good thing. Hopefully it can lead to a more recognizable Alpha Flight in their own series, but if the best I can get is a couple of my favorite characters I'll take it over none of my favorite characters.

Good Luck Mike! I hope this is a huge success!

Tests Friday, but I'm having a positive attitude and Omega Flight news helps! My classmates wonder where my newfound mental energy is coming from, I'm just deciding not to be a jerk anymore. Omega Flight simply cheered me up when I found out, and now with math and biology tests coming up, I'm full of the right kind of mind to improve my A's into A+, time to study. But Omega Flight is giving me good vibes to share. Who knew?

Tawmis: I think the thing with Bill's arms is probably just artistic flair. He's always been drawn a bit bulkier/larger than Thor, if I recall correctly, and so some artists draw him Hulk-like in scope. It works in terms of creating visual diversity among the characters.

Barnacle: I agree completely with the idea that the switch from Alpha to Omega is probably a good thing in terms of giving the concept a fair shake in the eyes of comic readers who aren't Alpha Flight fans. I really hope they don't do the "Issue 12 shocker", though. It's now become such a thing for Alpha relaunches that it's like a curse: kill the series with an issue 12 trope.

I hope your notion of the way Alpha might return isn't a premonition. :) An old-fashioned superhero battle is one thing. Actually having Mac kill the current Guardian? Man, that would be a downer beyond words. It would sort of complete the cycle that's occurred with the original Alphans getting stomped on; turned to villains, made insane, brainwashed, made into killing machines, etc.

From the comments Oeming's made, I'm hoping we'll see a very character-driven book. I've always thought Alpha would benefit from that sort of approach given the strength of the personalities involved.

Dana, don't feel like you have to leave, I think it's just that those who are optimistic and looking forward to something positive in the AF realm want to concentrate on the positive. You have just as much right to express your opinion as they do, I just ask that everyone respect each other's opinions, and that every remain open minded if possible.

Ben

The way I see it, is it's just another AF cameo, like the twins in X-Men right now. That said, I really love AI cameos, and as long as I keep looking at it like that and not as the 'Alpha Flight title that wasn't', I'm pretty excited for it. Especially since Talisman's involved, I've been wanting her to put in an appearance forever!

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Guardian. Apart from killing off the classic Alpha Flight off panel, what exactly has Mr Bendis done to you, to deserve your disdain :?: :? :)

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Well besides the whole Alpha Flight thing, my problems are:
-In all his work that I've read he takes forever to build up to the finale and then in the end, nothing happens. It falls flat. Examples include HoM and New Avengers.
-He can't write action worth a damn. He can't choregraph it, he just skips it all together sometimes.
- He brings in this rag-tag group of new and exciting heroes to the New Avengers lineup. Heros that have constantly been loners most of the time. (Cage, Spider-Man, attemps Daredevil, Ronin) He brings all these characters together and they do nothing. The Sentry has alot of potential but is barely in a few issues. Ronin came and went in two issues if I remember correctly. Wolverine made only a handful of appearances. And when they do disappear, there is no explanation why.
- He does some stories well, but big events he can't handle. HoM for example. I had to fight myself to read through HoM.

Now these are just my opinions, so take 'em with a grain of salt.

But if all honesty, he does do a few things well. He writes Luke Cage very well. I never cared for the character, but Bendis made me like him. And bringing back the original Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) was brilliant. And her background story is great. I really like her character now as well.

So I suppose my statement earlier saying that I hate Bendis isn't truly fair. He does some good things and some bad.
I just wish he wouldn't cast aside characters (killing them or otherwise) like he does.

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After pondering Omega Flight during the weekend, my opinion on the new series has changed. I'M FREAKING STOKED!

Guardian is back. Sweet!
Elizabeth is on the team. Great!
(Sure it may not be Mac or Elizabeth, but Im being optimistic)

As long as they don't do something silly like put an American in the Guardian suit I think Im going to love this new series.

Im putting my faith in the creative team.

As much as Marvel pisses me off sometimes, I dig some of their other recent moves.

Iron Fist getting his own series again. Moon Knights ongoing. Heroes For Hire. Omega Flight. Now if only Darkhawk can get his own series back. ;)

MikeM

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Yeah hopefully that is Mac and Elizabeth on the team. And I really think that the new creative team cares and will give the old AF much needed dues and respect. I may not be stoked about this news, but I am genuinely (I know I can't spell) excited about this new series. I'll give it some time I think and hopefully I'll be happy with the results.
Just please let it be Mac in the Guardian costume. :) [-o<

Oh, the new Moon Knight rocks by the way.

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Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan

...Mike Oeming, who I got to talk to. My biggest concern was finding out if "Mailman Mike" from NA#16 was going to be on this new team. I was told he would not be on the team, that the new series would pay homage to the old AF, and that more characters (not pictured) from the old series would be included. Mr. Oeming, who was sketching at the time, even took a few moments to look at my work and assess it. He told me that I should work on tightening my pencil-work for a better foundation, and I'll do that.

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This is all great news. Thank God that the psycho mailman isn't in the series. Adding older characters is great. Let the homaging (is this a word?) begin.

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Originally Posted by Barnacle13

I think everyone on this list is at best cautiously optimistic, and at worst unhappy that they aren't getting a true Alpha Flight. I agree with Del, Alpha Flight the concept is not the problem. If they were, then they'd have appeared in Uncanny X-Men all those years ago and disappeared. This forum wouldn't be up and operational, and folks wouldn't be elated or pissed by the news of Oeming Flight.

As someone who tries to fill in every hole in my Alpha Flight collection, including cameos as small as the Aurora cover in Ms.Marvel, I'll be buying. Consider it a cameo if you must, but it will include at least some of the characters I've grown to love over the years. I can't see folks hanging around for Beta Ray Bill, USAgent, or Arachne for an extended period of time. I could be wrong about that though. I'm a little interested in the Arachne/Spider-Woman character, but the other two not so much. However, I will give Oeming and Kollins a chance to change my perspective on these characters. Talisman I couldn't be happeir to read more about and Guardian (regardless of who is in the suit) could lead to some good stories also. I know everyone wants Mac to be Guardian, but it would open some interesting stories up if he weren't. Especially if Mac, Heather, Sas, and Puck survived and come back to reclaim their identities.

Oeming has said there are older Alphans waiting to be reintroduced. Until he gives me a reason to disbelieve I will take his word for it. Marvel has to know that Guardian, Sasquatch, and Puck are fan favorites. I can't see them burying them for long. It may take a few issues to start seeing these folks, but I believe they will eventually be back. V2 was headed in that direction before the plug was pulled. They just didn't get there quick enough. I think V3 failed because the first thing they did was jettison the originals. Well that and crappy storytelling.

Color me cautiously optimistic. I'm exited to have at least some Alphans to read about again and will give Oeming Flight a chance to stand on its own before throwing stones and shooting it down. If there's any chance of seeing Alpha Flight any time soon, I think Omega has to be a success. I'm willing to support that endeavor.

As I mentioned earlier.. if you're still reading Mike. Make sure Marvel gives you the marketing you require. Make sure subscription service is available and advertised. Don't let Marvel leave you and, in the balance, us out to dry. This was once a hot property and if treated properly it can be again.

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Very well put. I agree with everything you say. Well done. 8)

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Tests Friday, but I'm having a positive attitude and Omega Flight news helps! My classmates wonder where my newfound mental energy is coming from, I'm just deciding not to be a jerk anymore. Omega Flight simply cheered me up when I found out, and now with math and biology tests coming up, I'm full of the right kind of mind to improve my A's into A+, time to study. But Omega Flight is giving me good vibes to share. Who knew?

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That's great to "hear". Good luck on your tests.

Good luck, RolandT. Time for my students to have tests, too, hope they all do well.

Seems most people around here are at least happy that we've got a Flight back!

And Guardian and Talisman star! 8)

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Originally Posted by DelBubs

One of the things I am having trouble with is this anger. Three weeks back we had nothing, now we have a new series that although not Alpha, will have characters from Alpha being portrayed and most probably playing a big part. We've established that Alpha as it stands at the moment is so damaged that it wouldn't work without some external propping up. That again is still not good enough, we want our Alpha and we want it now.
Marvel wouldn't countenence a new Alpha, so Mike Oeming offers us the next best thing, still not good enough. Mike Oeming studies up on Alpha by visiting here, Kollins has said that he is a fan of Alpha Flight and has been waiting years to do this, still not good enough.

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We heard all this before.

We're having exactly the same conversations we had before v2 and v3. Down to the spurious 'Gt Sized X-Men' justification. (Thanks, Tawmis! ;) )

But does anyone else think "Alpha Flight's last chance" should have Alpha Flight in it?

- LM
"Doomsayers cautiously optimistic."
- Futurama

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But does anyone else think "Alpha Flight's last chance" should have Alpha Flight in it?

- LM
"Doomsayers cautiously optimistic."
- Futurama

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And who's to say that in time it won't.

I use to eat a chocolate bar over here called 'Marathon', in time they changed it's name to 'Snickers', it still tastes the same as it originally did. Same ingredients, different wrapper.

(Added) It has been stated on a mailing list I'm on that Mattie Franklin is going to be a member of 'The Loners'. Not sure if it's official, but I think it more likely that Julia Carpenter is in OF.

I don't look at this book as "Alpha Flight" but as a group title that has strong ties to Alpha and Avengers.
It helps that I like US AGent and Beta Ray Bill, and Julia Carpenter. If anything, I think Arachne suffered because Marvel management wanted a character for new readers" in Mattie and "some" writer later wanted to change the Spider-Woman concept back to a 30-year old status quo with Jess Drew.

This new team has "Flight" in the title and is set in Canada. Tal;isman, and possibly other Alphas before long, will have a presence.

If they were titling this new book "Alpha Flight" I might be as angry as Dana, but it is a new concept, steeped in Marvel history.

I am looking at it as I did the Weapon X ongoing, a new product that will bring exposure to and some emphasis on Alpha-related characters

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My qualm so far lies in "Beta Ray Bill" - not that he's on the team - but why does he look like... BOX?! (Or is it a BOX version fo Beta Ray Bill?! Egads!) :D But seriously BRB's arms were never the size of cannons... and the metal glove... what's with that!?

I do however REALLY like how everyone else is drawn (though most are shadows, you can still see the artistic styel there). It's only BRB that I really have an issue with how he's being drawn.

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I went and asked questions about this and was told the following

"I suspect the gloves are actually Thor's old iron gloves that let him hold Mjolnir when he was a young godling (Marvel version).

Megingjarpar The Megingjarpar was also known as the "Girdle of Might", which made Thor even stronger than he was. Thor also possessed a pair of magic iron gloves, which allowed him to wield the Mjollnir. These magical items were given to him by the friendly giantess, Grid."

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My qualm so far lies in "Beta Ray Bill" - not that he's on the team - but why does he look like... BOX?! (Or is it a BOX version fo Beta Ray Bill?! Egads!) :D But seriously BRB's arms were never the size of cannons... and the metal glove... what's with that!?

I do however REALLY like how everyone else is drawn (though most are shadows, you can still see the artistic styel there). It's only BRB that I really have an issue with how he's being drawn.

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I went and asked questions about this and was told the following

"I suspect the gloves are actually Thor's old iron gloves that let him hold Mjolnir when he was a young godling (Marvel version).

Megingjarpar The Megingjarpar was also known as the "Girdle of Might", which made Thor even stronger than he was. Thor also possessed a pair of magic iron gloves, which allowed him to wield the Mjollnir. These magical items were given to him by the friendly giantess, Grid."

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Hmm... interesting! That wouldn't explain his "extra pounds" though, would it?

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Tawmis: I think the thing with Bill's arms is probably just artistic flair. He's always been drawn a bit bulkier/larger than Thor, if I recall correctly, and so some artists draw him Hulk-like in scope. It works in terms of creating visual diversity among the characters.

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*nod* I am sure it's artistic flair... Gods know I have seen that enough times (say like Namorita suddenly being blue in v3 with these weird white tattoos!) And certainly, while I don't enjoy how BRB is being drawn (or at least his shadowed form) - it's not going to stop me from collecting or enjoying Omega Flight! Just my personal taste of how Beta Ray Bill is being drawn.

As for typically being drawn bulkier than Thor, I'd disagree.

He's typically drawn about the same size as Thor (in almost all regards, save for the Horse Head look - he pretty much takes on a look exactly like Thor, in size, clothing, etc).

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Like I said, it's not gonna ruin Omega Flight for me - I just don't care for the "Hulkified" version of Beta Ray Bill (or the big metal glove on his hand). Makes him look too much like... well, Box. :D

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Originally Posted by Tawmis

My qualm so far lies in "Beta Ray Bill" - not that he's on the team - but why does he look like... BOX?! (Or is it a BOX version fo Beta Ray Bill?! Egads!) :D But seriously BRB's arms were never the size of cannons... and the metal glove... what's with that!?

I do however REALLY like how everyone else is drawn (though most are shadows, you can still see the artistic styel there). It's only BRB that I really have an issue with how he's being drawn.

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I went and asked questions about this and was told the following

"I suspect the gloves are actually Thor's old iron gloves that let him hold Mjolnir when he was a young godling (Marvel version).

Megingjarpar The Megingjarpar was also known as the "Girdle of Might", which made Thor even stronger than he was. Thor also possessed a pair of magic iron gloves, which allowed him to wield the Mjollnir. These magical items were given to him by the friendly giantess, Grid."

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Thor has certainly used the Girdle of Might before - he had to against KURSE, when Beyonder doubled Kurse's strength to be twice as strong as Thor (then doubled it again, when Thor put on the girdle) - making Kurse insanely stronger than Thor.

As for the gloves... I don't remember the gloves ever being used in Marvel Comics. (Not to say that they could suddenly appear)! But even when Thor slapped on the girdle, Thor's "structure" of his body (and arms) remained the same. Also why would BRB need the gloves to handle his hammer, since he's done fine all these years? :) And if they are THOSE gloves, why couldn't they be more... well, flashy looking. A little more fancy and fantasy looking. :D

Again, just a TINY qualm! :D Just voicing it is all. :)

I never did like Beta Ray Bill. However, this Hulking image we have of him, does hold some appeal for me... giving him added distinction as it does from Thor.

As for the belt and the gauntlets; I'm not sure what BRB is doing with them (if indeed they are Thor's), but Thor has worn both before. I can't recall the specific story arcs off the top of my head, but the gauntlets were apparently necessary for Thor to strike his "unfettered might" blow. This blow was so awesome that the wind-up caused a tmaelstrom of energy to whisp about the hammer and the gauntlets supposedly protected Thor from this energy, so that he wouldn't suffer burns.

It just wouldn't be a "Flight" team with out a really big, non human looking bad ass. Beta Ray fits the bill. I like it.

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It just wouldn't be a "Flight" team with out a really big, non human looking bad ass. Beta Ray fits the bill. I like it.

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And orange! It wouldn't be a "Flight" team without a really big, orange non human looking bad ass.

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It just wouldn't be a "Flight" team with out a really big, non human looking bad ass. Beta Ray fits the bill. I like it.

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lol You made me giggle 8)

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It just wouldn't be a "Flight" team with out a really big, non human looking bad ass. Beta Ray fits the bill. I like it.

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lol You made me giggle 8)

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Misters Kolins and Oeming will do a good job.

The Loners won't have a spider-woman, at least not at the start, as it was announced to be a miniseries, much like Lobdell's AF, and if sales warrant it will go beyond #6. It's supposed to be the Excelsior team from Runaways, sans fake Chamber. Turbo, Darkhawk, Ben Urisch, Julie Powers, Ricochet I think. Newsarama has it.

Anyway, Omega Flight will rock! :o

This new series definetly has people talking.

(Tone: Calm, slightly distracted (watching Angel), tired. Not angry or frustrated right now!)

I can't speak for Dana for sure, but I know what's frustrating me (besides having suddenly turned... blinvisible for a while). It's not that there's a new book that isn't Alpha Flight.

It's not that Delbubs and me are on the opposite side of the argument for once. :(

It's not the EXACT conversation we've had twice before. Including the artist and writer coming on and saying how much they respect Alpha, how this is the last chance for Alpha, how if we stick around (##) issues we'll actually see Alpha...

It's the expectation that my loyalty to Alpha Flight will extend to this book.
I try to pick up every appearance by an Alpha Flight character, as long as they are in Alpha Flight. That part of my Alpha loyalty extends to this book.

But please don't tell me that I have to read or enjoy this book As An Alpha Flight Fan. Not all of us pick up every appearance. Those who do not have _no obligation_ to Omega Flight.

I am an Alpha Flight fan.
I'm not an Omega Flight fan.
But I might be, when the book comes out. If I do become an Omega Fan, it'll be for what it is, and not for what it is not (which is Alpha Flight).

- Le Messor
"An angel offered someone their choice of infinite wisdom, health, or wealth. The person chose wisdom and sat silently for a few minutes, contemplating the mysteries of life and the universe, and said "I should've taken the money."

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But please don't tell me that I have to read or enjoy this book As An Alpha Flight Fan. Not all of us pick up every appearance. Those who do not have _no obligation_ to Omega Flight.

I am an Alpha Flight fan.
I'm not an Omega Flight fan.
But I might be, when the book comes out. If I do become an Omega Fan, it'll be for what it is, and not for what it is not (which is Alpha Flight).

- Le Messor
"An angel offered someone their choice of infinite wisdom, health, or wealth. The person chose wisdom and sat silently for a few minutes, contemplating the mysteries of life and the universe, and said "I should've taken the money."

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I am not going to read all the way through this thread to pick up on where anyone has told anyone they have to enjoy Omega Flight. As free thinking individuals, the only obligation we have is to ourselves and those who rely on us.
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I am an Alpha Flight fan.
I'm not an Omega Flight fan.
But I might be, when the book comes out. If I do become an Omega Fan, it'll be for what it is, and not for what it is not (which is Alpha Flight).
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Noble sentiments which I totally agree with. We only differ on one point Mik, it's just that after all my years as an Alpha Flight fan and seeing so much crap slung at them, I have chosen to be positive about the new book. Not Alpha I know, but something akin too, for that I'm grateful.

Del,

Somebody making us feel obliged to -support- (nothing about enjoy) this new series? Sorry, dude. I kinda meant you there.

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We only differ on one point Mik, it's just that after all my years as an Alpha Flight fan and seeing so much crap slung at them, I have chosen to be positive about the new book. Not Alpha I know, but something akin too, for that I'm grateful.

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I would love to be optimistic. I kind of am. This looks like a good brand new series. I'm looking forward to it.

We do differ in one other thing: I seem to be the only one here who's noticed that we had exactly the same conversations before vol 2, which I loathed with a fiery passion, and exactly the same conversations before vol 3, which was embarrassing (but I actually enjoyed it).
The writers said the same things. The artists said the same things. We said the same things.

(You think there's been no publicity? I think Marvel sends the creators here as part of their 'signing tour'. Though I don't think they orchestrated the whole thing; certainly not our part.)

I'm sorry, but I can't help approaching this with some cynicism.

I'm much more looking forward to the new ClanDestine series.

- Mik
"An Englishman on a plane to Australia was handed one of these cards to fill in, in normal Commonwealth style. After the standard questions like name, nationality, passport number, etc., he got to one that asked: "Have you ever been imprisoned?" After thinking about that for some time he entered: "I didn't know it was still a requirement."

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Del,

Somebody making us feel obliged to -support- (nothing about enjoy) this new series? Sorry, dude. I kinda meant you there.



I would love to be optimistic. I kind of am. This looks like a good brand new series. I'm looking forward to it.

We do differ in one other thing: I seem to be the only one here who's noticed that we had exactly the same conversations before vol 2, which I loathed with a fiery passion, and exactly the same conversations before vol 3, which was embarrassing (but I actually enjoyed it).
The writers said the same things. The artists said the same things. We said the same things.

I'm sorry, but I can't help approaching this with some cynicism.

I'm much more looking forward to the new ClanDestine series.

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Mik, you are FAR from the only one who's noticed that the same things are being said of Omega Flight that were said of Vols 2 and 3. Other poster have mentioned it, and the conversation got quite heated.

The promises have been made twice before, with the same appeals to the readership. "We need to support the proferred title to get what we really want."
It is not a bad thing to have that reminder out there for Oeming and Marvel TPTB to read. They have no right to expect blind devotion, and anyone giving it is putting himself in the category of "those who can be fooled 100% of the time." Mike Oeming probably has the best of intentions and wants to see this succeed, but he and others at Marvel need to remember that we've heard all this TWICE before.

I am looking forward to Omega Flight, but I am not looking at it as Alpha Vol 4. With BRB, Arachne and John Walker, this seems as much as a new post Civil War Avengers book as an Alpha-related title.

I was one of the open naysayers of Volume 3. I read it on the racks for discussion here, but purchased the final issues in quarter bins. I voted with my $ and stopped buying it as a new publication.

I'd encourage anyone and everyone to try the new title when it's published. And if you don't like it, stop buying it IMMEDIATELY. If you continue buying something you don't like just to be able to talk about it, you are supporting it. To support it because of a promise (made twice before) that it may or will become something we'll like more, that strikes me as kind of silly.

I'm cynical about this project too, but it's in shades of gray. There are other things this title seems to have going for it. It deserves a chance, but it does not deserve blind devotyion because it has Talisman and a Guardian and is set in Canada.

this may lead to a clue as to who the spiderwoman in the team pic may be.

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• Ms. Marvel and former Avenger Wonder Man meet with Iron Man and Julia Carpenter (currently known as Arachne) at Stark Tower for a meeting concerning current, non-registered targets.

• Arachne is instructed to arrest The Shroud while Wonder Man and Ms. Marvel must find a young female hero named Araña who operates unregistered somewhere in Brooklyn.

• It appears Tony Stark is concerned some of his team may be agents for Captain America.

• When Arachne finds The Shroud, it's revealed that the pair is intimately involved. She warns him to run because S.H.I.E.L.D. is about to capture him, but he stays and faces a squad of Capekillers. Arachne decides to help The Shroud and both evade capture. Both are branded as fugitives.

• After searching without results for Araña, Ms. Marvel and Wonder Man stop for food at a restaurant called Chicken Cow. They soon find themselves in the middle of a robbery. Immediately after the heroes take out the crooks, Araña shows up in full body-armor, accidentally facing off against the two heroes.

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this may lead to a clue as to who the spiderwoman in the team pic may be.

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If it's Arachne in Canada, where would the Shroud be?

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this may lead to a clue as to who the spiderwoman in the team pic may be.

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If it's Arachne in Canada, where would the Shroud be?

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He was captured in Ms. Marvel #7

Ben

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There are other things this title seems to have going for it. It deserves a chance, but it does not deserve blind devotyion because it has Talisman and a Guardian and is set in Canada.

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I totally agree with you on this. Oeming is saying buy the 3 first issues. I may do this. I see Omega Flight more as a spin off of AF and I'm not a completist or anything near it. If you want my money it's got to be good. Sorry, I don't have that loyalty to comic.

Actually, It's my brother Yves that bought the comics, I just read it. Except for AF vol3 where he was not interested in the serie, because it was not AF to him with only sasquatch and a bunch of new characters.

For me, I bought 1 issue and felt left with nothing. Plus, I never was a big Lobdell fan and that issue felt like how I felt after reading most of Lobdell stuff; bored. Very nice drawing, but not enough substance.

And yes, I've always had the same attitude: wait and see. And I still say the same. I can't judge what I have not seen. I prefer to be optimistic, but never forget it's all rumeurs at this point. The comic will speak for itself and if I don't like it, sorry but I will stop buying it.

I stayed with vol2, because I liked some of it. But yes, there was to much missed stories like the micronauts and we should not forget it was always coming out later than what it was schedule for, that also killed that serie.

Let just hope the new creative team will work well together, that is a very good start for the serie.

Making people feel obliged. Demanding devotion and loyalty to something people haven't seen yet. Do I need a solicitor ? Or is it more a case that people can be negative about something they haven't seen, but anyone who tries to be positive is castigated.

My mum says the proof of the pudding is in the eating, I'm gonna wait until I've had a bite before saying it don't taste right.

That doesn't mean I'm trying to force feed anyone :-)

i was really trying to keep my trap shut about the whole thing, but i have to totally agree.

we get it, you don't like it because it's not the originals, most of you see it as more of a spin-off than the actual alpha flight, but ten pages worth of negativity before issue 1 has even hit the shelf's is getting to be a bit much.

oeming and kollins have been very gracious with their interviews and coming to these boards looking for our input and trying to promote the series.

give it a chance, or if your minds already made up, don't give it a chance.

but i think everyones position on the series has been made clear. can we move on now?

OK, no one is saying anyone has to feel "blindly obligated" to buy this book. No one is holding a gun to anyones head to buy the book. It's pretty simple.

If you're not curious, don't buy #1.
If you're curious, you can buy #1.
If it doesn't contain enough Alpha and you don't like it, don't buy #2.
If it doesn't contain enough Alpha but you still like it, you can buy #2.
If it contains a lot of Alpha references and you still don't like it, don't buy #2.
If it contains a lot of Alpha references and you like it, you can buy #2.

Continue the previous steps with issues 3 and above. Wash and repeat.

Dave

Edit: The above two posts also have it right. Subject ends riiiight.... now. 8)

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this may lead to a clue as to who the spiderwoman in the team pic may be.

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If it's Arachne in Canada, where would the Shroud be?

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He was captured in Ms. Marvel #7

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Yup, Shroud came up with the idea to go to Canada. But Julia wouldn't leave without her daughter. On the way to get her daughter, the Shroud was captured by Ms. Marvel and Wonder Man. And presumably, Julia is going to get her daughter.
And Arana was more than willing to register and train with Iron Man's side. :(

I have a strong feeling that the woman in the Omega Flight picture is Julia Carpenter. Which I kinda like. I've always been a fan of the spider women.

so many issues to buy this week because of all these potential omega tie-ins.

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so many issues to buy this week because of all these potential omega tie-ins.

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Nah, I bought Ms. Marvel #7 because I read the series. It's a pretty damn good series.

Just out of curiosity, what other issues might have potential O.F. tie-ins?

well, besides ms. marvel, theres a interesting tid-bit on cw files, theres the upcoming short story w/ kollins/oeming about usagent.

thats all i can think of off teh top of my head, but something tells me of will be playing a role in cw.

how cool would it be to see beta ray bill show up and knock some sense into thor.