Okay, who are your favorite and why? Lets here it from the fans.
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Okay, who are your favorite and why? Lets here it from the fans.
M!
Dreamqueen, because of her design, her powers, her desire to remake 616 reality and how hard she is to stop. Mystic ability and all!
The Master, because he had a vision and was powerful enough to enact it, though he never got why people didn't want 'utopia' as he saw it.
And for my third, the Great Beasts, interesting characters, always trying to win, one goal in mind, tough in every way; you can't beat them, you have to outsmart them.
The Dreamqueen, no competition. One of the few good things about Mantlo's run. Freaky powerful, awesome character design, just overall very cool.
I dug the Master a lot too, just because he's THE Alpha Flight villain. He's their Magneto, their Kang, he needs his props.
Master as he is such a super genius and underated:
http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Master
Great Beasts, by far one of the coolest villians. It should be a non-jobbing Great Beasts though:
http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Great_Beasts
Dreamqueen..nuff said:
http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Dreamqueen
I'd like to see a rematch with China Force, a MAJOR revamp of the second version of Omega Flight (Simon Furman creations), and to bring back Llan the Sorcerer.
MM
Yes, bring back Llan. Guy was so uberly evil and so powerful it was scary. Even made Dr.Strange look like a baby and yet he was still bound by rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by maniac mike
Dreamqueen : My all time favourite AF Villian. Her aims are clearly laid out and she is powerful enough to take on any type of super hero.
Somthing Flight : Alpha took on former Betans in the original Omega, fought against Epsilons and Gamma's, so the new Omega need a somthing Flight to go up against. Tradition can only be a good thing.
The Master : I don't care that he went up against H4H etc, he is Alpha's arch nemesis, has a rich history and has that Dr Doom quality about him.
Yes, Dreamqueen I like her, but the last time we saw her it felt forced and I did not like the story. Like, everything that had be be done witrh her was done. I don't know.
Jaxxon and Delphine Courtney, mostly Delphine with her manipulationof omega Flight and MAc fake resurection.
the master: alpha's doctor doom.
dreamqueen: cool supernatural villian
the great beasts: if the theme for this series is going to be supernatural, the above 2 can't be beat.
omega flight: so does this mean if the opposite shows up they'll be fighting.......alpha flight?
How could I forget Captain Crozier.
Seems that the majority of us have the same favorites:
1. The Master - This guy has potential and some past storylines showed it, but there still is a lot more that could be done with him to elevate his threat level - plus anyone that could ensure that Marrina finally returns is a favorite of mine...
2. An Opposing Flight - For every Alpha there has to be an Omega - and the nice thing about this team is that the membership can always be different, just like the Frightful Four.
3. The Dream Queen - Fantastic design, tons of potential and SCARY.
4. The Great Beasts - When they were written to be as powerful as they truly are, the stories were great and it made the reader wonder how Alpha was going to win.
I think the Great Beasts were always the best Alpha villains. They added a whole layer of mythology to the franchise in that there was a history between them and the Northern gods form which Snowbird hailed. The idea that their gateway to the world just happened to be in Northern Canada gave Alpha a nice sense of purpose and a reason why they needed to exist.
The reveal that Sasquatch was really inhabiting a form of one of the beasts helped hammer home that weird mix of science and magic that set Alpha apart from other Marvel books.
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I also really, really loved the Brass Bishop storyline from Steve Seagle's volume 2 storyline. I actually own some art from those issues.
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Llan the Sorcerer suffered from some really inconsistent art at the time, but there's a good concept buried in there somewhere.
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The Department H as a black ops story has been played out by this point, but there are characters I'd like to see some follow up on like Huxley from the end of Vol 2.
I always found Dreamqueen and the Master (with team) to be the best enemies. Now after M-Day how about The Master and the Hardliners, since many of the Master's sycophants were techs already (Tech-Noir, Strongarm, Brain Drain...).
Llan is good too, but fighting teams and powerful individuals... :D
I think Northstar and Aurora would make an interesting villain duo for the team. I can easily see them both wanting some degree of revenge against Canada and the Department for all which has transpired. Their combination of Flash-like speed and photonic abilities can make them quite formitable - far more formitable then what was shown in Wolverine.
If Talisman is going to be on the team then I would like to see some real mystic heavyweights brought in as well. There are only so many Inuit gods and demons we care to deal with. Bring in a few of Dr. Strange's villains to make a real mystic impact. Maybe Mephisto is keeping an eye on Talisman or Dormammu is looking to rise from the ashes.
All the threats should not just be Canadian. It is time to make OF part of the Marvel Universe. That does not mean I want to see the team globe-hopping but I can really see a lot of US villains jumping over the border for what seems like, to them, some "easy" crimes.
Hi everyone! With Omega Flight coming, I can't resist anymore!
former Alphans would be a good idea to turn into Omega villains, like the Twins, Madison and his wife Lil, Persuasion with Pathway and Goblyn, Nemesis and Witchfire.
I always liked tough opponents who had an agenda, not just power or money or evil. Dreamqueen, Master, 'Omega Flight' fit the bill. Like lots say, Alpha Flight has lots of good enemies so how can Omega Flight not?
Good luck all, nice board here!
Ah, Pestilence! Nice idea, wrong execution. And at the time I read that I had no clue it was link to a true story. Well, I would have never knew if Alphawaves never been in my life.Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
1. Jaxon and Delphine Courtney (the villains that hooked me on AF)
2. Bedlam and the Derangers (too bad they were killed of quick)
3. The Master (like someone said, Alpha Flight's own Doctor Doom of sorts)
I thought Bedlam was great. I had hoped he would become part of the rogues gallery but was killed almost as soon as he appeared. He was great because he went back to Dept H and built upon that backstory which had proven problematic all along with gov't-sanctioned, gov't-independent, Wolverine going AWOL (to join the new X-Men in Giant Sized 1), Beta-Gamma recruits forming Omega Flight... to say Dept H was a troubled experiment is an understatement! It is/was a good source of back story / conflict.
The Master was good during the Byrne run (v. Doc Doom) but I did not like later appearances in v1. They were more traditional foes. Omega Flight, the first time around was fantastic. Later incarnations went back to that well far too often and without the intrinsic grudges of the original line up, the tension just wasn't there. With those characters dead (Box / Jaxon, Courtney) or turned heroes (Lil, Wild Child) or whatever... Smart Alec, Flashback, it's best to let that lay fallow. You're fortunate since the new book takes that title out of the proverbial quiver of Alpha Flight cliches.
Pestilence was great as well because, like the Great Beasts, the character tapped into the mysticism which went back to issue 1. Like the Master (target Marina), he was after a particular member of Alpha (Snowbird) for his purposes. Jaxon was after Mac. The Omega (Bochs-Lionel Jefferies) story works on that level but to a lesser degree. I thought Roger Bochs deserved better than that ending.
Though I own a Lee-Milgrom original art piece from that story arc I did not like the Dream Queen, China Force and all that perhaps because it didn't seem to be a natural fit for Canadian heroes. This wasn't like Korean-war vet Tony Stark having the Mandarin as an arch villain. It seemed out of left field. I was glad to see that gone and Llan too (maybe it was the art--poor John Calimee, never gets a break).
I stayed with v1 through 120 or so, read two issues of v2 and all of v3. The other villains didn't really register any passion except the Sentinels that came to Canada. You'd think the Canadian gov't would have wanted something like that given how much of Dept. H's subjects were problems.
What does not work for AF is any more attempts at reviving 'Mac' Hudson. He died in NYC, v1, issue 12. End of story for me. Heather was always the real leader, not Mac.
Aside: If/when Sasquatch returns, please get his look right. So many have drawn him as if he had horns and neglect his more ape-like proportions (shorter legs, how he moves--see the Byrne run).
Inter-personal conflict worked well with the book. They weren't just 'true believers' like Cap and your typical classic Avengers team or even the FF (which early had conflict with Johnny & Ben). Some adventure-types like Sasquatch and Puck, some more grudging heroes like Northstar and (in my view) Mac Hudson.
Byrne's run, as he described it recently, was more a series of individual books under the banner of Alpha Flight than a team book. You'd see what Puck is doing this month, sometimes references to off screen adventures (Brass Bishop Affair) and the book wound and rotated through and now and again the characters crossed paths but rarely together as a group. Despite conflicts they'd come together, a bit like a family, in times of great need e.g. battle Great Beasts, Omega Flight.
OK, I've said too much. :twisted:
The Master instantly springs to mind... unclear as to whether he's dead or not after Busiek's Avengers run though...
Dreamqueen for sure.
I like Wendigo as a character, but would want to see something different involving him/it for once.
The Great Beasts, as above.
I liked the concept(if not the execution) of Loki messing with AF, and with BRB involved that could work in OF.
One of my major problems with AF was that none of the villains did it for me... with the exception of Jaxon and his associates.
I liked also liked vol.2's Epsilon troopers. And of course Department H, though I think that rather than being overtly immoral through and through, they should be more like any other aspect of governement... ambiguous, trying to be or at least appear benevolent, but with certain programs and sub-departments that are consciously and secretly engaging in immoral activities. You know, the good ol' "their right hand doesn't know what their left hand is doing" scenario.
I agree that we should also see some familiar Marvel villains. CW is just as likely to force villains across the border as it is heroes afterall... always a glimmering prospect even before CW. What, with the US concentration of heroes and hi-tech agencies, and Canada's seeming lack.
The Master, for me, is (was) hands down Alpha's arch-nemesis. If you do bring him back make him more aggressive. He was always a big talker with lots of power and resources, but he never did anything much beyond expounding what his plans were.
The Wendigo has never been in an AF book and yet is a major threat that would involve Shaman.
Bring back Smart Alec! You can say he's been lost in the other dimensions within Shaman's pouch until his consciouness found a new body. He would be a great archenemy for Talisman.
A.I.M. and Modok were on a search for mystical characters when they attacked AF last time. Being that OF is all about the mystical would make A.I.M. a perfect opponent.
The same could be said about Llan the Sorceror, the Great Beasts and the Dream Queen.
Maybe Dormamu?
Problem with Alec is that his mind is totally gone, it went when he looked into Shamans pouch. I also believe his body was smashed when Pestilence Sas and Walter Box had their fight. I would love the idea of Shaman putting Alecs miniturised body back in his pouch after that incident and Pestilences wandering mind inhabiting it and repairing it over time. A miniturised Alec body controlled by Crozier would be a good foe for anyone :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
And how many times has Mac died only to return? Smart Alec's mind being wiped could mean that it was lost within the pouch's many dimensions. It could then find a new body and return. I mean there has been weirder things in comics, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Now that would be a good villian, Alecs small body possessed by Alec and Pestilence. Two minds in one entity (Omega comes to mind). As you say weirder things do happen in comics :-)
Hmm, lets see...
1. Pestilence...that would work with a mystical-supernatural slant going
2. Dreamqueen...I'd play up her connection to Nightmare
3. Deadly Earnest...talk about a messed up power
I think Weapon P.R.I.M.E. would make a good villain team too.
And Witchfire needs to embrace her dark side, AF needs more female villainany.
MM
[quote="Legerd"]And did that made a good story?Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Personnaly, I don't think so. I would just avoid making the same mistake.
[quote="syvalois"]A good story comes from a good writer. Mac's returns were ridiculously farfetched even for comics, Smart Alec could return in a logical manner and he could be an excellent villain. It all depends on the writer, IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
I agree, but sometimes it,s harder to write something good, but yes, if done right it could be good, but usually I like dead characters to stay dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
Yeah, I wish death was more of sure thing in comics also. It ruins a noble and dramatic death when the hero just comes back (usually through a lame plot twist) a few months later like nothing happened. I just want to see Smart Alec used again, because he was killed before we ever got to really know him or see him in action.Quote:
Originally Posted by syvalois
The Master is a must, but has to have a great storyline to bring him back to being a real threat. Ruthless. Alpha always needed more powerful villains. No more wax figures or robotic versions of other heroes.
I found a big problem is Flight over the years was that the heroes were so powerful that lazy writers had to get rid of some characters just to be able to give them a challenge. The Baubiers are like having two Rogues on your team. Sas was like the Hulk. Mac and Heather were like 2 Iron Men. Snowbird, semi goddess who could become any animal and had some powerful friends "upstairs". Shaman is like Doc Strange but can also pull anything out of his pouch. Box a huge robot that could become anything and the guy inside is basically a good guy Magneto. Persuasion just had to talk! They had all their bases covered! Try to think of a threat that couldn't be smashed, shot, flew into at his speeds, blinded by light, attached to the ground by vines, dropped a car on or simply told "um, don't do that".
One good thing about having such powerful heroes is that if any of them turned, they'd each be a great villains!
Poor Madison Jefferies has been brainwashed so many times. Just having him on your team is like having Magneto. He can maniuplate Metal, Plastic and Glass. His brother could manipulate human tissue(come on, he blew up. His power was to manipulate tissue, he could pull himself back together, right? :P ). Imagine the Jefferies brother working together. They'd be almost unstoppable. Yes I like Madison but if he's not going to be used as a hero he might as well be used as a villain!
Persuasion can manipulate people's actions with a single word. She was too powerful to be on the team cause she could just say "sleep" and the battle would be over. Imagine a villain using her to his advantage. What if Brass Bishop had her chained like that Dargil (whatever his name was) in V2. Use their friend against them in a powerful way.
Flex. For god's sake he's T-1000 from the Terminator! Completely unstoppable! He can turn into anything. You can shoot his arm and it'll grow back. He could hunt and chase people down and rip through anything in his path.
Witchfire is basically Pheonix meets Scarlet Witch. Nuff said.
You want a worthy team to fight against, look no further then former members. It worked in the original and would be a nice tribute if done correctly.
I have to agree the Master is Alphas main nemesis. I love the idea of combining him with Jefferies. Imagine a brainwashed Jefferies with all of that Plodex tech at his disposal. That would be one damned formidable foe.
And since Omega Flight was always a major foe of Alpha Flight, why not turn it around on Omega at some point and make the Alphans a major foe of Omega Flight. This would work especially well if Mac weren't in the Guardian suit and came back for a little Vindication. Add Northstar, Aurora, Sasquatch, and Puck and you'd have a major throw down. May need Snowbird to battle Talisman. Could mark the turning point some of the hardcore Alpha fans are looking for.
And if we're talking about consciencious objectors here, there should be an ongoing battle with the other side. Iron Man and his crew should come to serve warrants. Omega could throw them back in their faces and let them know their warrants aren't any good in Canada!
Although they were a bit before my time, I really dig the Great Beasts. They are just plain scary.
I found Furman's Flight version to be too derivative: Miss Mass = Pink Pearl, Bile = Pestilence, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by maniac mike
My top five:
Dreamqueen
Pestilence
The Master
Great Beasts
Witchfire...seems natural progression for the character's origin.
I would like to see Nemesis in an adversarial role.
Delphine Courtney and Jaxxon were wonderful for their time, but I think returning these characters after so long brings up Alpha Flight's baggage issues. In a way they and Deadly Earnest better stand as examples that when Alpha dealt with a villain, those villains STAYED dealt with.
Wildchild! So dangerous yet so tragic, you want to comfort him even though he might tear you to pieces and eat you afterwards... :cry:
Wyre, but only if they have him use his powers instead of his guns, he's an awesome fighter with unique and wonderful abilities 8) , he doesn't need to go Cable on people.... :roll:
He's also a tragic villain, he's done so many terrible things, but honestly believed he was doing what was best for everyone involved, even though it was destroying him... :cry:
And, since Kyle won't kill Valerie Cooper, maybe Wyre could. That wretched, self serving little witch, I HATE her! :evil: :twisted: Let Mephisto have 'er!
I just found them boring, like a lot of stuff done in AF at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by kozzi24
I agree with you on this.Quote:
Delphine Courtney and Jaxxon were wonderful for their time, but I think returning these characters after so long brings up Alpha Flight's baggage issues. In a way they and Deadly Earnest better stand as examples that when Alpha dealt with a villain, those villains STAYED dealt with.
By the way, there's a new profile for Jerry Jaxon at the Appendix
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/jaxonjerryaf.htm
Let me state up-front that I like it when AF's villains are dealt with and stay dealt with, like Deadly Ernest in V1#8(?), with the red-headed daughter [Danielle Belmonde] being carted off to jail. Ernest's return by Mantlo, just to get chopped up again and Nemesis turning to dust, is...stupid.
The computer-whiz who injected that virus in the Hudnall/Haynes' fill-in was a formidible foe, though I'm hard-pressed to see how he survived.
Trying to think of some less oft-stated favorites, but I'm drawing a blank.
I'd love to see a new vailain team composed of Northstar, Aurora, Madison Jeffries, and Wild Child, maybe even with Diamond Lil in there for good measure, there to keep an eye on her hubbie, but covertly trying to get Omega to help her fix his scramble brain.
Ben
If you bring back the Great Beasts, have them portrayed as a true powerhouse. Such as the Exiles protrayed Tanaraq, or how the Gods of the Arctic easily beat a person who even Dr.Strange was unsure in Wolverine #171 (issue # may be off) and the Great Beasts are said to be equal with them.
Tanaraq (Exiles):
http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/inde...q_%28Exiles%29
Mauvais:
http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Mauvais