Chaos War #5 - Spoilers within

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Good news, after a good fight, and a snappy line from Guardian (the rocket scientist one), Alpha Flight remains alive!

HEAD EXPLODE

My head just exploded again. YAY!

:):):):):):):):):):):)

Poor Puck, Puck Jr and and Major Maple Leaf, though, but Cap says "Look who's not dead anymore" then Guardian says, "Whoa! We're still here?" Then who I think is Luke Cage says, "Solid." Shaman and Marrina are shown, not Heather though. Pretty sure she made it too from Mac's response.

Love,
rplass

Did the rest of the Dead Avengers return? Or just Yellowjacket and Swordsman? who were the only ones alive at the end of their mini

Hey this is alphaflight.net not deadavengers.net

Just kidding!

I didn't check the rest of the book. Honestly I just flipped to the end to see what happened to AF!

well played rplass, well played indeed :P

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Originally Posted by -K-M-

Did the rest of the Dead Avengers return? Or just Yellowjacket and Swordsman? who were the only ones alive at the end of their mini

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I haven't read it yet, so I could obviously be wrong, but I'm pretty sure everyone else who came back went back to being dead. AF was special because of the whole deal with the Great Beasts, I'm guessing.

BRB being heartbroken over Banshee some more.

Is this issue worth getting as an Alpha appearance? Or are they just in a panel or two, with a couple of lines of dialogue?

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Originally Posted by MistressMerr

I haven't read it yet, so I could obviously be wrong, but I'm pretty sure everyone else who came back went back to being dead. AF was special because of the whole deal with the Great Beasts, I'm guessing.

BRB being heartbroken over Banshee some more.

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*joins Merr with tea and cookies*

I wonder if the eyeball Chaos King cover ever went to print...unlikely, but would be a cool collectable.
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If there WAS a deadavengers.net website...hands up, who thinks it would be very confusing? I mean, the Avengers have a much longer history than AF, with many more members, and the amount of deaths and supposed deaths and rebirths and possible rebirths (not to mention name changes; thank you Dr Pym!)...oh my, that would be a confusing site...

double-post, oops

Images are over in yesterday's news article for anyone who wants to be spoiled.

:D :D :D

From Fred Van Lente twitter

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@fredvanlente
Fred Van Lente
Maybe. Unless we just brought 'em back for fun. RT @dfstell Is there an unannounced plan for Alpha Flight post-Chaos War?

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i hate when they are so cryptic. anyone have jim mccanns home phone number? :)

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Originally Posted by Bill P

Is this issue worth getting as an Alpha appearance? Or are they just in a panel or two, with a couple of lines of dialogue?

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If you don't 'need' it for the fact they return, I'll go with 'just a panel or two', not worth getting.

OTOH, as a wise person once put it,
"YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY "

- Le Messor
"I feel more like I do now than I did last week."

Spoiler space below (in the image, that is).

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

Spoiler space below (in the image, that is).

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Dood!

I'd thought that was a spoiler for Chaos War #5, so I clicked on it! How could you?

- Le Messor
"I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book."
~ Groucho Marx

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/chao...ld-110202.html

Where they mention Alpha Flight, though no real news.

You're playing it down, yeah, no news but that's just about the most direct, all out best thing said about Alpha Flight by a Marvel creator in an interview that you could ever want to read. I'm thrilled by that little exchange and very happy about it!

Love,
rplass

i would love to hear from jim mcann or reilly brown to see if there is anything in the works. it just seems weird that the one shot came out and never mentioned again...........................like it never happened. fred van lente has been talking about alpha flight more than those 2.

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And someone else said, “Why don’t we bring back Alpha Flight?” “OK, great!”

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WHO said it, would be a big hint as to what may or may not be going on! Was it McCann? Was it Van Lente? Was it Stan Lee? Martha Stuart? Mickey Mouse?

Great news!

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

WHO said it, would be a big hint as to what may or may not be going on! Was it McCann? Was it Van Lente? Was it Stan Lee? Martha Stuart? Mickey Mouse?

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No, Who is on first.

DIGGER

I waited a few days after reading CHAOS WAR # 5 before commenting. Hopefully, that helps, but I don't know because I'm just not that impressed with it. Sure, the letterer has a lot of fun, and the ending wraps up the storyline (which I did not follow; I'm just interested in the ALPHA FLIGHT part of it), but the bits & pieces of AF seem more of a throw-away than a concerted effort to raise them up. Which is totally unlike CW:AF, which does enhance AF's image.

For the few panels that they were in, would it have killed anybody to put a little more effort into making it look like a non-rushed, recognizable Alpha Flight?

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Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan

For the few panels that they were in, would it have killed anybody to put a little more effort into making it look like a non-rushed, recognizable Alpha Flight?

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I don't know for sure, but the Alpha in there was in keeping with the art style of the book.
Okay, I found this crossover to be fairly bland and whatever - definitely something that could've been told in Hercules rather than spread across 15 issues (according to the checklist), but, OTOH...
It brought back Alpha Flight!!!
Yay!

And, really, isn't that what mankind has dreamt of since you first looked up at the stars?

- Le Messor
"I find that as I grow older that I love those most whom I loved first."
~ Thomas Jefferson

I'm glad Alpha Flight has returned and I think CW: AF brought them back with dignity and stlye and deftness unseen in many, many years. I was devasted when a solid (though underestimated) supergroup was transformed into gross mockeries of what they should have been. For awhile, I thought I would never see Alpha Flight treated with the respect it deserves.

But business-MARVEL wins out more often then goodstory-MARVEL, and that's where I am with CHAOS WAR# 5: specifically the group-shot of resurrected Alpha Flight is so generic, so indistinct, so...negligent that it's hard to believe that their surviving was little more than an afterthought.

BTW, how many Avenger books are there now? How many Darkest-Secret-Crisis-Civil-War-Days-of-Our-Deaths are in the works now?

Yay, Alpha's back.

I am thinking, pessimistically, that Marvel has no real plans for alpha flight. Unfortunately, i fear they revived them merely to stop us from pointing out how wrong they were to get rid of them in the first place; I don't think Marvel likes getting any bad (negative) press on the 'net...

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

I am thinking, pessimistically, that Marvel has no real plans for alpha flight. Unfortunately, i fear they revived them merely to stop us from pointing out how wrong they were to get rid of them in the first place; I don't think Marvel likes getting any bad (negative) press on the 'net...

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Oh, that doesn't stop me from pointing out the hack job done on AF in Avenger #16, and that I quit buying anything Marvel because of it. On the other hand, I will also mention how good Van Lente and McCann's writing have been when it comes to the team. So if Marvel wants to hear positive reviews (at least from me) they need to produce more good AF books with one of these writers.

OT: Shouldn't we be pestering them for a mini or something?

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Originally Posted by Fred Van Lente's Twitter

Beginning Official Work today on what is literally a Marvel Dream Project. 14yr old me is doing cartwheels. And probably thinking about sex.

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Please let it be AF... Please let it be AF... [-o<

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

I don't think Marvel likes getting any bad (negative) press on the 'net...

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Any publicity is good publicity!
F'rex, I figured out recently that the only reason I know how people like Paris Hilton or Justin Bieber are is because of people who don't think they should be famous.
I never hear from the people who like flash-in-the-pan celebrities, but with all the parodies and complaints out there, I learn far more about them than I care to.

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Originally Posted by Fred Van Lente's Twitter

Beginning Official Work today on what is literally a Marvel Dream Project. 14yr old me is doing cartwheels. And probably thinking about sex.

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Originally Posted by Fred Van Lente's Twitter

Beginning Official Work today on what is literally a Marvel Dream Project. 14yr old me is doing cartwheels. And probably thinking about sex.

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Please let it be AF... Please let it be AF... [-o<

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Eww!
... oh, you meant the dream project...
That would be cool.

- Le Messor
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can’t resist it."

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

I am thinking, pessimistically, that Marvel has no real plans for alpha flight. Unfortunately, i fear they revived them merely to stop us from pointing out how wrong they were to get rid of them in the first place; I don't think Marvel likes getting any bad (negative) press on the 'net...

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I have to disagree, FP...I believe what was said by Van Lente, Pak, McCann and Co.. That they talked about bringing the team back and they used the Chaos War to do it. I doubt us raving fans had much to do with it. Just as Bendis disliked Alpha Flight and so he used them as cannon-fodder (killed them off, as it were)...The guys that brought them back are big fans of the characters, I think it's as simple as that.

Dana

Well maybe more will be explained in the Chaos War Epilogue

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I have to disagree, FP...I believe what was said by Van Lente, Pak, McCann and Co.. That they talked about bringing the team back and they used the Chaos War to do it. I doubt us raving fans had much to do with it. Just as Bendis disliked Alpha Flight and so he used them as cannon-fodder (killed them off, as it were)...The guys that brought them back are big fans of the characters, I think it's as simple as that.

Dana

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Bingo. Even if there are no plans to actually use the characters any time soon, the fact that they brought them back to be able to be used when there was no real need for it in the story they were telling, that's hardly a business decision. That was a creative one tossed in by people who like the characters and evidently thought they got short shrift in being killed off like that.

In conclusion: :D

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Originally Posted by -K-M-

Well maybe more will be explained in the Chaos War Epilogue

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There isn't one is there?

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Originally Posted by Phil

There isn't one is there?

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As of now no, but in a few interviews they said they might release one.

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As of now no, but in a few interviews they said they might release one.

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So, crossover 'event' that would probably have best been told as part of The Incredible Hercules got not only its own mini, not only about fifteen extra minis and one-shots, but now that it's over, they're still trying to get us to buy it?

Man, if it hadn't brought Alpha Flight back, I'd be completely annoyed at it.

I've been thinking about calling a readers' strike (I would, if I thought it'd happen) against "Events". Meaning, asking every comic book reader I can reach to not buy "Fear Itself", even if it has an appearance by your favourite character who hasn't had a canon appearance in thirty years, so we can tell Marvel and DC we're sick of the things.

(I chose that one partly because Flashpoint actually looks vaguely interesting, partly because it was Marvel and not DC who promised no more Events 'for the forseeable future' and then solicited that less than a year after the last one.)

Then I found out people out there have complained 'the current titles are boring, just in a holding pattern for the next event'...

- Le Messor
"I get enough exercise just pushing my luck!"

People still buy them though.
The majority of people love crossovers/events.

Either that or they hate them so much they buy 2 copies of each book instead of 1. ;)

Chaos War was a Limited Series with a few ripple titles, that yeah, probably could have been contained to just The Incredible Hercules, but the sales on that were dwindling so it's good business sense to do what they did. If readers prefer to jump on with #1 rather than #143 then that's logical.

And Chaos War wasn't exactly an Event, per se; the oneshots/mini's weren't essential reading. You could quite easily have just bought and read CW 1-5.
It didn't involve ongoing titles and interrupt their storylines or randomnly pull them into it (bar Incredible Hulks, I know) ala Second Coming, Civil War etc..

Civil War was bigger than Secret Invasion which was bigger than Siege which was bigger than Chaos War.
It was definitely a step in the right direction.

Yet comic sales have massively dropped since Civil War.

There's no point having an Alpha Flight around if Marvel can't afford to pay writers & artists and publish a book.

If an event every few years makes a decent AF story more likely I'm all for it. I won't necessarilly buy it, but I can see it's sometimes a necessary evil.

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Originally Posted by MistressMerr

Bingo. Even if there are no plans to actually use the characters any time soon, the fact that they brought them back to be able to be used when there was no real need for it in the story they were telling, that's hardly a business decision. That was a creative one tossed in by people who like the characters and evidently thought they got short shrift in being killed off like that.

In conclusion: :D

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I hope that the positive, optimistic reasons for bringing Alpha Flight back prove to be correct. But Chaos War # 5 doesn't bear it out.

How would a new reader know that the orange, hairy monster with the exposition dialog is 'Sasquatch'?
Yellowjacket (a dead Avenger, I believe) is identified. Hulk is identified. THOR is identified. 'Guardian' and 'Sasquatch' are not identified.

How would a new reader interested in the supergroup that isn't "dead anymore" know that it is ALPHA FLIGHT? How would they be able to recognize 'Shaman' or 'Snowbird' or 'Marrina' or 'Aurora' or 'Northstar'?

How would anyone know that Snowbird and Hercules recently experienced a pretty significant conflict/relationship?

I still believe that Chaos War: Alpha Flight is one of the best ALPHA FLIGHT stories MARVEL has ever published, but I also believe that their appearance in CW# 5 is back-handed and the entrenched negative approach to the group is still in full effect.

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Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan

I hope that the positive, optimistic reasons for bringing Alpha Flight back prove to be correct. But Chaos War # 5 doesn't bear it out.

How would a new reader know that the orange, hairy monster with the exposition dialog is 'Sasquatch'?
Yellowjacket (a dead Avenger, I believe) is identified. Hulk is identified. THOR is identified. 'Guardian' and 'Sasquatch' are not identified.

How would a new reader interested in the supergroup that isn't "dead anymore" know that it is ALPHA FLIGHT? How would they be able to recognize 'Shaman' or 'Snowbird' or 'Marrina' or 'Aurora' or 'Northstar'?

How would anyone know that Snowbird and Hercules recently experienced a pretty significant conflict/relationship?

I still believe that Chaos War: Alpha Flight is one of the best ALPHA FLIGHT stories MARVEL has ever published, but I also believe that their appearance in CW# 5 is back-handed and the entrenched negative approach to the group is still in full effect.

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I agree that CW #5 wasn't the best intro to AF for completely new readers, but I really don't see it as back-handed or negative.
In my opinion it tied up some loose ends from the oneshot and was at least respectful rather than a Lobdell style put-down.

It's good to have AF be back, and alive.

But that doesn't stop me from being VERY concerned that there appears to be no solid plans for the team.

Yes, being alive is one step closer to SOMETHING being doewn with them.

BUT...Wouldn't it makie more sense to not bring them back UNTIL you are ready to announce that you brought them back for a reason?

I'm just saying, it concerns me.

If they have no reason, then they have no point, and no love. Oh, a few (witers and artists) out there may love them, but not enough to make a push for a series or miniseries that Marvel would even consider, or we would have heard about it already. Amd that is not good.

All things conoidered, if on a scale of 1 to 100, having AF mainly all dead is a 1 out fo 100, then having them alive but no plans to use them is a 10 out of 100. IMHO.

Still disgruntled. Still frustrated.

Phil, if you know somebody at MARVEL who can shed some light on what is happening with ALPHA FLIGHT,
please see if they would be willing to say something. The team and the fans have suffered for a very long time (unnecessarily), and MARVEL has shown that it can publish a decent Alpha Flight story.

Backhanded in the sense that if Alpha is really back for good, then Pak and Van Lente should have been allowed to give Alpha a little more attention...a tighter connection to the Incredible Hercules. Backhanded in the sense that, yes, Alpha is included in the Big money-makiing crossover EVENT but not in a way that will make it easy for new readers to identify the group.

I want an uplifted Alpha Flight as much as any one. MARVEL has proven it can do it. What remains to be seen is if MARVEL will do it again. And again. And again.