Wishlist for the new Alpha Flight maxi...

Taking a cue from Alpha Fan over in the main thread, my hoped-fors in the new series...

• Jeanne-Marie and Sasquatch do not hook up again. Friendship? Sure. Romance...not so much. It's been a long time, and I'd like to see more comic-book couples allowed to move on instead of held thrall to nostalgia. (I'm looking at you, Whedon!)
• Jean-Paul’s sexuality not used as a punchline.
• Some self-confidence for Heather, please — she lead the team far longer than Mac did, and the indications that she’s the one trying to get out from under his shadow are worrisome.
• A name for the Hudson baby.
• A last name for Kyle.
• On-panel kiss for Jean-Paul and Kyle.
• Marrina given more personality than "crazy Plodex lady".
• Jeanne-Marie’s mental illness not used as a super-power.
• Some differentiation between the twins’ powers — I’m OK with JP as the speedster, JM as the light-bringer, even if it means getting the canary bathing suit back into play.
• Reunion between Michael and Elizabeth, dammit!
• No calling either of the Twoyoungmen’s “Sarcee”.

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Originally Posted by suzene

[*]Jeanne-Marie’s mental illness not used as a super-power.

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I'd just like to see her go back to her original, much-better-than-now-written split personality than the 'whatever we feel like' one of today.

- Le Messor
"I just think it's rather odd that a nation that prides itself on its virility should feel compelled to strap on forty pounds of protective gear just in order to play rugby."
~ Giles

Out of everything you've listed, I have a sneaking suspicion we'll see these:

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Originally Posted by suzene

• Some self-confidence for Heather, please — she lead the team far longer than Mac did, and the indications that she’s the one trying to get out from under his shadow are worrisome.
• A name for the Hudson baby.
• A last name for Kyle.
• On-panel kiss for Jean-Paul and Kyle.

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I'd like to see:

• Shaman confident in his powers/abilities.
• Sasquatch back to his original, immense strength level.
• Actual teamwork in battle.
• Definitely, a name for the baby.
• Mac confident in his leadership abilities by the end of the story with the others accepting him in that role.
• Just one personality for Aurora, the MPD has been done to death now.
• Marrina learning how she died at Namor's hands, with it followed up on in the ongoing.
• The team shown as competent heroes.

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Originally Posted by Legerd

[*]Marrina learning how she died at Namor's hands, with it followed up on in the ongoing.

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Don't know why, but that one amuses me. I like it!

- Le Messor
"I knew I was going to take the wrong train, so I left early."
~ Yogi Berra (attrib)

Here is the scene I want to see...



Superpowered Dude: "Welcome to the True North Detective Agency. I'm Strong, and this is my associate, Free. How can we help you?"

Northstar: "You've got to be kidding me..."

Superpowered Dude: "Nope, not kidding. And, before you ask, Far and Wide are on days off."

[ note: if you don't know the Canadian National Anthem, this may not make any sense...]

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Originally Posted by Le Messor

Don't know why, but that one amuses me. I like it!

- Le Messor
"I knew I was going to take the wrong train, so I left early."
~ Yogi Berra (attrib)

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You gotta know she'd wonder what's going on with her hubby, eh? Then there'd be the awkward silence, followed by a mumbled explanation, followed by her scream of rage and ending with her either heading to Utopia to kick his fins or to a lawyer to file for divorce. I wonder how much half of Atlantis would be worth?

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

Here is the scene I want to see...



Superpowered Dude: "Welcome to the True North Detective Agency. I'm Strong, and this is my associate, Free. How can we help you?"

Northstar: "You've got to be kidding me..."

Superpowered Dude: "Nope, not kidding. And, before you ask, Far and Wide are on days off."

[ note: if you don't know the Canadian National Anthem, this may not make any sense...]

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Hell man, that's a great idea! Screw waiting to see that in an AF comic, write it yourself as an Indie. You could probably get some cash from the gov't even to get it off the ground.

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Hell man, that's a great idea! Screw waiting to see that in an AF comic, write it yourself as an Indie. You could probably get some cash from the gov't even to get it off the ground.

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Thanx!

One of my beter ideas, actually. But I have no interest in writing it...I'd pay to see it written, tho.

FVL on Formspring:

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Will you be giving Marrina and Namor some panel time to address their relationship? asked by Rheged

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@DaleEaglesham's Marrina redesign will knock your socks off. It will seal her as the breakout fan favorite character of 2011. You heard it here first.

But to answer your question: Maybe, but not initially. I think Marrina has never been given much of a chance to be her own character, outside of the male influences in her life -- Namor and The Master, specifically. We want to have her stand on her own two feet as a hero in her own right before we start saddling her with relationships, or revisiting those that defined her in the past, and, in my humble opinion, forced her into a secondary position.

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Intriguing. Thanx for posting that, Phil.

Yes, I like that idea. Make her herself first. Tertiary adjunct of Namor second.

- Le Messor
William: I know I'm a bad poet but I'm a good man and all I ask is that... that you try to see me...
Cecily: I do see you. That's the problem. You're nothing to me, William. You're beneath me.

I want to see Mac become a great leader....really explore his potential.

I want Aurora to be cured and some clarification on her powers. Time to move on.

I want the best AF read since Byrne.

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Originally Posted by Legerd

I'd like to see:

• Shaman confident in his powers/abilities.
• Sasquatch back to his original, immense strength level.
• Actual teamwork in battle.
• Definitely, a name for the baby.
• Mac confident in his leadership abilities by the end of the story with the others accepting him in that role.
• Just one personality for Aurora, the MPD has been done to death now.
• Marrina learning how she died at Namor's hands, with it followed up on in the ongoing.
• The team shown as competent heroes.

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Plus Elizabeth and Judd.

No pressure,eh?

Looking forward to May...and beyond.[-o<

My hope, with so many of the 'smart' characters being shown to be smart and heroes (Hulk, FF, Stark) is that Guardian and even Sasquatch, who are brilliant in their own rights, are shown as such. Heroes and brains.

I'd like Guardian, Vindicator, and Shaman meet up with Weapon Omega and discuss his first visit through Canada.

"Discuss"... Yes, that would be cool.

- Le Messor
"I know it's spelled 'Raymond Luxury-Yacht', but it's pronounced 'Throat Warbler-Mangrove'!"
~ Monty Python

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Originally Posted by Mokole

My hope, with so many of the 'smart' characters being shown to be smart and heroes (Hulk, FF, Stark) is that Guardian and even Sasquatch, who are brilliant in their own rights, are shown as such. Heroes and brains.

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I would just like them to be treated with respect and not as some big joke!

DIGGER

Not sure how I missed this thread - thanks for my entry to it!

For me, I would love to see the following:

1. Marrina's parents & Dan Smallwood - Alpha is all about family and we have seen so little of them
2. Flashback's return - glad he was brought back in series 3, more character development please!
3. The Master - keep making him more of a formidable Big Bad!
4. Jeffries - he belongs with Alpha. Family takes care of family.
5. A new Omega Flight - Every Alpha needs an Omega - an OMEGA class Omega
6. Wild Child - the Wild Child we love to hate
7. Talisman - we've missed SO many opportunities to see a tearfelt reunion, could we maybe just see this one? Even in a flashback?
8. Beta Flight - Goblyn, Persuasion? Sure, they weren't classic Byrne characters, but they were the first of a new Beta Flight and it would be great to see them again
9. The Dream Queen - visually one of the best villains and a good source for a magical threat
10. Nemesis' return - the team needs allies and the best thing about Nemesis is you never know which way she will lean
11. Bochs - he was such a great character and had such potential
12. Witchfire - forget the hero of old, bring on the witch we have been seeing lately!

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Originally Posted by Legerd

I'd like to see:

• Just one personality for Aurora, the MPD has been done to death now.
• Marrina learning how she died at Namor's hands, with it followed up on in the ongoing.
  

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Given her nice-sweet personality of yore, I would expect Marrina would have some level of appreciation that Namor stopped her before she hurt anyone else.
Aurora's MPD was a classic part of the character. I would like to see it the way Byrne handled it, that she remains in one persona for an extended period of time, and when she changes, she stays changed for a time...like working with two characters who will never be seen together. That said, less of the personas at war would be OK by me.

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Originally Posted by Ahab

2. Flashback's return - glad he was brought back in series 3, more character development please!

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... maybe he'll return in flashback?

S'rously, it'd be cool to see him cope with what happened with his kids.

- Le Messor
"I started to turn and it was at this point I noticed a camel and an elephant tethered at the verge. This distraction caused me to lose concentration and hit a bollard."
~ alleged actual response on an insurance form

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Originally Posted by kozzi24

Given her nice-sweet personality of yore, I would expect Marrina would have some level of appreciation that Namor stopped her before she hurt anyone else.
Aurora's MPD was a classic part of the character. I would like to see it the way Byrne handled it, that she remains in one persona for an extended period of time, and when she changes, she stays changed for a time...like working with two characters who will never be seen together. That said, less of the personas at war would be OK by me.

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Namor didn't even attempt to help her, choosing instead to kill her, rip her head off, and throw it through Osborn's window. Granted that Emma said she couldn't sense Marrina's mind in the monster, but to not even question if she could be saved, and just killing her? And even if that was a mercy I still question how much Namor could have loved her as he mutilated her body, and threw her severed head through a window as a message to the bad guy! Her reaction to that is what I'd like to see followed up on.

Aurora's MPD, while interesting, was "cured" (yeah, I know how some folks feel about the method) in an X-men title, so having it return is a step back IMO. The one thing that drove me nuts was every time a new writer took over on AF Vol. 1, they'd reset the characters so any development was lost. I want to see some growth with them, especially Aurora and Shaman, and to maintain what (little) development they have had.

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Originally Posted by Legerd

Namor didn't even attempt to help her, choosing instead to kill her, rip her head off, and throw it through Osborn's window. Granted that Emma said she couldn't sense Marrina's mind in the monster, but to not even question if she could be saved, and just killing her? And even if that was a mercy I still question how much Namor could have loved her as he mutilated her body, and threw her severed head through a window as a message to the bad guy! Her reaction to that is what I'd like to see followed up on.

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I do always seem to default to Marrina's original death, especially with so many fractors in the Osborn/Namor confrontation, which always includes, "How do we really know that was the true Marrina?" I do think Namor's beliefs on death need to be examined. He may not consider it quite possible for Marrina to be resurrected as the same soul. Namor does not have the readers' knowledge that an alive Marrina has been kicking around for so long, mostly in the Master's clutches.
Your post troggered an interesting thought tho...Namor relying on Emma's report is a bit risky as Emma obviously would not mind smelling like fish and might just try to keep competition at bay. (And Emma is SO not Namor's type that I have found the reciprocated flirtation to be incredulous.)

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Originally Posted by Legerd

Aurora's MPD, while interesting, was "cured" (yeah, I know how some folks feel about the method) in an X-men title, so having it return is a step back IMO. The one thing that drove me nuts was every time a new writer took over on AF Vol. 1, they'd reset the characters so any development was lost. I want to see some growth with them, especially Aurora and Shaman, and to maintain what (little) development they have had.

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You CAN reasonably go back to Byrne on the subject of the MPD cure. When Aurora joined the flight, and later was examined in the Deadly Earnest story, the division of personalities was so complete that the MPD was undetectable until other events triggered a switch. Thios is the angle I think works best, and I would love to see Jeanne-Marie exhibit slightly different powers than Aurora. While I thought the recent Darl X-Men story was a bit over the top in presentation, I thought the basic premise was quite sound.

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Originally Posted by kozzi24

and I would love to see Jeanne-Marie exhibit slightly different powers than Aurora.

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One of my favourite late-stage Alpha storylines that was touched on but never really told properly that I would love to see something done with is seeing Jeanne-Marie having to come to grips with living the superhero life and having these powers that she hates. I love the idea of her grudgingly using them and growing into a hero in her own right, apart from Aurora.

My dream Aurora is one with the straight-up two personalities, Aurora and Jeanne-Marie stuck sharing a body, hopefully having overcome their duel for dominance years ago, potentially with a third lurking in the shadows to take over only when something needs to be done that the other two can't handle (I actually really did like that part of the Weapon X take on her). We'd hardly ever see that one, though. Her psyche may be prone to shattering even more than that (late-stage Vol. 1 with the five personalities, Dark X-Men, etc.), but those two are the core of her. In Aurora's case, having her be cured of her MPD via a convenient storyline as opposed to years of development with both personalities is the exact opposite of moving her forward.

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Originally Posted by Legerd

Aurora's MPD, while interesting, was "cured" (yeah, I know how some folks feel about the method) in an X-men title, so having it return is a step back IMO.

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I'm afraid to say Norman Osborn un-cured it in Dark X-Men:The Beginning.

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Originally Posted by Phil

I'm afraid to say Norman Osborn un-cured it in Dark X-Men:The Beginning.

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I thought that only while she wore the headgear was the MPD in effect. Didn't she return to just being Aurora once it was off?

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Originally Posted by Legerd

I thought that was only while she wore the headgear that the MPD was in effect. Didn't she return to just being Aurora once it was off?

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No, I'm pretty sure she became Bob the Builder when she took it off.

http://img.geocaching.com/track/7fe0...dcce988fc8.jpg

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Originally Posted by kozzi24

I do always seem to default to Marrina's original death, especially with so many fractors in the Osborn/Namor confrontation, which always includes, "How do we really know that was the true Marrina?" I do think Namor's beliefs on death need to be examined. He may not consider it quite possible for Marrina to be resurrected as the same soul. Namor does not have the readers' knowledge that an alive Marrina has been kicking around for so long, mostly in the Master's clutches.
Your post troggered an interesting thought tho...Namor relying on Emma's report is a bit risky as Emma obviously would not mind smelling like fish and might just try to keep competition at bay. (And Emma is SO not Namor's type that I have found the reciprocated flirtation to be incredulous.)

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I couldn't tell you what Namor's beliefs on death might be, but considering how many heroes die only to return, you'd figure he might accept she could be the Marrina he knew. Not to mention if he loved her wouldn't he have at least tried to help her. Still, I'm not trying to look at it from his point of view, but her's. Imagine if a loved one killed you, tore off your head, and threw it at the bad guy whose actions caused your death, then you come back from the dead. Wouldn't you be a bit pissed that said loved one didn't make an effort to stop/save you, then after killing you, mutilated your body! I'm sorry, but I don't see how anyone could shrug that off. I know it's just a case of a writer not caring enough about the character to bother fleshing out the tragedy, but within the story I would think the character of Marrina would like to know why Namor chose to kill her and desecrate her body. It would be cool to see her deal with that IMO, with her eventually confronting him on his reasons for having done it. That, and have her go looking for Osborn.
The idea that everyone trusts Emma so implicitly makes me wonder if she isn't tweaking people's minds. I mean, she's been a manipulative villain for a long time, but now she's a good guy so it's all fine. She tells Namor it's okay to kill his wife, and he does it without hesitation, without questioning her, and without a thought of trying to save Marrina whatsoever? Talk about a cold fish.

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

No, I'm pretty sure she became Bob the Builder when she took it off.

http://img.geocaching.com/track/7fe0...dcce988fc8.jpg

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Okay, really not getting the reference.

I'm thinking Norman Osborne's head device really screwed up Aurora, but we don't know how much they'll touch on it in the new series (if at all). I personally would like to see Aurora with her two original personalities, but I'd like to see both of her selves accept the other more than they have.

On the subject of Marrina...I'd like to see her go to Namor (with all her memories intact of what happened) and say "I want a divorce...Before you decide to kill me again." (or something to that effect). I just can't see her being very happy with him, after all that's happened. I agree with Legerd, Not a lot was done to try and help her when she was in the sea monster forms (Both times), the heroes just decided that killing her was the best option...Which to me, is lazy on the heroes' parts, but also stinks of lazy writing. I'd like to see Marrina a bit more stable too. I don't mind her being conflicted or at war with her Plodex self, but I'd like her to not go murderous every issue. It would be nice to see Marrina get friends her own age and interacting with "normal" folks too (maybe she decides to go to college)...And a reunion with Dan Smallwood would be great (it might be interesting if it turned out one or both of her "parents" had passed on, while she was dead).

Dana

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

No, I'm pretty sure she became Bob the Builder when she took it off.

http://img.geocaching.com/track/7fe0...dcce988fc8.jpg

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Wha? LOL!

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Originally Posted by MistressMerr

One of my favourite late-stage Alpha storylines that was touched on but never really told properly that I would love to see something done with is seeing Jeanne-Marie having to come to grips with living the superhero life and having these powers that she hates. I love the idea of her grudgingly using them and growing into a hero in her own right, apart from Aurora.

My dream Aurora is one with the straight-up two personalities, Aurora and Jeanne-Marie stuck sharing a body, hopefully having overcome their duel for dominance years ago, potentially with a third lurking in the shadows to take over only when something needs to be done that the other two can't handle (I actually really did like that part of the Weapon X take on her). We'd hardly ever see that one, though. Her psyche may be prone to shattering even more than that (late-stage Vol. 1 with the five personalities, Dark X-Men, etc.), but those two are the core of her. In Aurora's case, having her be cured of her MPD via a convenient storyline as opposed to years of development with both personalities is the exact opposite of moving her forward.

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Yeah...John Byrne was throwing out clues that a third personality was surfacing during his run, but it was never fully explored...I also think Walter's tampering with her powers may have triggered something in her psyche. Anyway, I don't think Mantlo ever addressed the third personality, that Byrne had started creating.

I like your idea with Jeanne-Marie growing into a hero, MM...It would be a very interesting storyline, I think.

Dana

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It would be cool to see her deal with that

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Well, since it was hinted that Namor may be appearing in this maxi-series...you may get your wish.

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Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67

I'm thinking Norman Osborne's head device really screwed up Aurora, but we don't know how much they'll touch on it in the new series (if at all). I personally would like to see Aurora with her two original personalities, but I'd like to see both of her selves accept the other more than they have.

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Quoting from FVL "Aurora's struggle with mental illness are a huge part of a character and a major part of this series."

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On the subject of Marrina...I'd like to see her go to Namor (with all her memories intact of what happened) and say "I want a divorce...Before you decide to kill me again." (or something to that effect).

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See earlier in the thread.

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Originally Posted by MistressMerr

One of my favourite late-stage Alpha storylines that was touched on but never really told properly that I would love to see something done with is seeing Jeanne-Marie having to come to grips with living the superhero life and having these powers that she hates.

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She doesn't hate them. She's made the point herself (in Byrne's era) that it was Jeanne-Marie, not Aurora, who first flew.
She hasn't got the speed on, though.

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Originally Posted by Legerd

I couldn't tell you what Namor's beliefs on death might be, but considering how many heroes die only to return, you'd figure he might accept she could be the Marrina he knew.

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OR, taken from that point of view, nobody in the Marvel Universe takes death serious anymore. "I'll kill you now!" 'Yeah, but what are we doing next week?' "Teaming up against your current ally, of course." 'Cool, I'll pencil you in.'

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Originally Posted by Legerd

Imagine if a loved one killed you, tore off your head, and threw it at the bad guy whose actions caused your death, then you come back from the dead. Wouldn't you be a bit pissed...

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I wouldn't, but I fully admit that that's just me and you make a good point.

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Okay, really not getting the reference.

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I don't know how to take that line; are you joking, are you asking who Bob the Builder is, or are you thinking it's a reference to a particular event in Alpha Flight?

On the off-chance: if it's the first, apologies.
Second: Bob the Builder is a kids' show, the title character is pictured in the link (though I believe? he's traditionally claymation, not drawn animation).
Third: Only FP and your undertaker know for sure, but I imagine it was just funny randomness (and yes, I am laughing).

- Le Messor
"I suggest you buy as many blues albums as you can."
~ Jake Blues

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Originally Posted by Le Messor

She doesn't hate them. She's made the point herself (in Byrne's era) that it was Jeanne-Marie, not Aurora, who first flew.

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Yeah, and then she got horribly punished and never did it again for five years, until Aurora took over. The powers were evil, in her eyes.

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Yeah, and then she got horribly punished and never did it again for five years, until Aurora took over. The powers were evil, in her eyes.

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I was quoting her years after that punishment; she called Aurora selfish for keeping the powers to herself.
I think if she hated her powers then, she stopped by the time she grew up.

- Le Messor
"I take a two hour nap, from one o'clock to four."
~ Yogi Berra (attrib)

I'm a little sad that FvL hasn't read Enemy of the State or Carey's X-Men run (and presumably not the New X-Men stuff re: Northstar either). Alas for my hopes that some writer somewhere would remember that JP has had some character development in the last decade that didn't come out of the Great Big Book of Gay Cliche (or at least that he owes Wolverine one hell of whuppin').

But hells to the yes for noting that in the nearly twenty years since issue #106, JP has yet to actually kiss another man on-page. I believe the current count is 0 - 3 in favor of smooching girls, and one of those was a nun!

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Only FP and your undertaker know for sure, but I imagine it was just funny randomness (and yes, I am laughing)

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Random is the new black.

And I am your undertaker; at least, this week I am. You, meanwhile, are my intepreter (and doing a fine job, I must say!).

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You, meanwhile, are my intepreter (and doing a fine job, I must say!).

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Clearly, here you meant:
'Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
thy micturations are to me
As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.'

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I'm fired, aren't I?

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Originally Posted by Le Messor

I was quoting her years after that punishment; she called Aurora selfish for keeping the powers to herself.
I think if she hated her powers then, she stopped by the time she grew up.

- Le Messor
"I take a two hour nap, from one o'clock to four."
~ Yogi Berra (attrib)

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This is what I was thinking. When Jeanne-Marie fled Walter and returned to her brother, (#20-22) she did tell JP that "It is Aurora who keeps the powers for herself."