So folks, #0.1 hits shelves today and here is your official thread for discussing the issue.
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So folks, #0.1 hits shelves today and here is your official thread for discussing the issue.
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I just got my issue. Read it in the parking space outside my LCS :) LOVED it.
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Northstar's unwillingness to be part of the team was perfectly in character, Heather's concern over Kara going bad. Characterization was all just spot on. Marrina's new edge is refreshing. Can't say enough good!
like i said on main page havent read it yet but it sounds like it is really good cant wait
like i stated in phils review, i can not believe how much i forgot who these characters are. its been a very long time since the characters i fell in love with as a kid have been characterized correctly. everyone was spot on!!! i absolutely love marinas new edge!!!
Overall I loved the book and art. However........
Isn't Cody Dead? as well as Citidal? Though I guess they could eplain Cody's ressurection by saying that he really wasn't dead, just braindead or something and needed time to recover.
I felt that the some of the charters were out of place. Guardian dosen't seem to be in charter from the previous series. That goes for Shaman as well. Merina's total 180 degree turn in additue seems that they are trying to hard with her. Though I hope they write a story wher she returns home to the Smallwoods for a visit.
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Got it and good starting issue. Aurora had a HUGE impressive feat in this issue using an ability she hasn't used since Weapon X days
Attachment 1104I always assumed he was dead, but when I looked back at the issue, you could make the case either way. Now that I'm thinking about it, his current behavour could be as a result of Bedlam messing with his mellon...Quote:
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or someone controlling his body as he has an empty mind....Master or maybe even Dreamqueen?
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Mesmero is depowered, and maybe Pestilence.... but I don't think he was popular enough to bring back.
Dreamqueen seems the more obvious choice, she thrives on fear etc. Pestilence was more out of sentiment. I liked the character and don't think he got used as much as he should have.
anyone else notice agent brown from the omega flight series? pretty cool.
Maybe Cody is a clone from Dep H. or something/ someone else. BTW I hated the first page where Snowbird tells the anrgy guy that they are Canadian.
We know this already. The caption says Montreal. Why dose evrytime an Alpha book comes out they have to make a point in saying that they are Canadian. Captain America, the Avengers, Spider Man or X-Men don't go around saying we're American. This just boils my piss.
So correct me if I'm wrong, but did...........
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Aurora liquify adamantium?
I'm very pleased with Alpha Flight 0.1 as we now have the characters back from Volume 1.
Marrina is definitely the most improved with her new "attitude" she's like a lime green Biff Naked!
To quote Thor...."This issue...I like it...ANOTHER!!!"
Liquefy Adamantium? Yeah, I don't even know if it's possible. Perhaps she transferred some vibrations through the metal into the guy's hands and caused his hands to liquefy? That's pretty darn disgsuting though, to make a guy have a goopy stump where his hand used to be, gross! I think she just kind of rattled him off of herself and didn't actually turn anything into liquid.
I don't know about Merina's new additude, it seems abit outdated maybe like something from the 90's Image comics.
A couple of thoughts from a long-time lurker:
- Great, great art. I do not remember when AF had such a great art except for the Byrne issues and the early Jim Lee issues. AF vol. 3 had some great art too, but with the dreadful Lobdell plot, it's better left forgotten :)
- Perfect characterization. Mac was bland, but he is Mac, and being bland (or dead...) has always been part of who he is. Heather came off as a bit off, only focusing on her child, which makes sense. Everyone else was spot on. Best, strongest Aurora we have seen in a long time. I especially enjoyed the Weapon X use of her powers.
- The political analogy is a bit far-fetched, though interesting considering our recent elections. Montreal was surprisingly well-depicted, all the streets that were named were accurate and actually made sense. Even the French that was used was right on target. I believe it's the first time an AF issue really felt accurate language and landscape wise for someone from that part of the country.
- Good timing, a lot of humour (who would have pictured Snowbird handling parking tickets!), a lot of sensibility (Jean-Paul scenes with Kyle had a nice gradation for anyone who may not know them, with the realization they are a couple only being really apparent on the last page) and a lot of questions (Kara portrayed as the ennemy when she might just be fighting on the right side...and what the heck is with Marrina's new attitude?).
Overall, an extremely solid issue, on par with the Byrne issues or the very first issues of Volume 2. I am back on board and seriously impressed.
There was an interview with FVL where he was asked about Cody being dead and his reply was something to the effect of Herc bringing back more than just Alpha Flight in Chaos War.
Those with matter manipulation have done it, and she did gain the power from Weapon X where she can rip molecules apart, but I don't know if her power is strong enough to do that to adamantium.... so yeah I think you could be right. She only "liquified" his insides rather then his exoskelton.Quote:
Originally Posted by rplass
Oh of course we're both forgetting X-Men #25 where Magneto rips the adamantium out of Wolverine's body. If you remember what it looked like, it was pretty much liquid when it came out. So Magneto can liquefy Adamantium so we know it's possible.
Either way, I bet it stung a bit...
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Generally? Lots of love. Everyone got their moment of awesome, and most of our guys got more than one.
I adored Pak and Van Lente's take on Northstar, Kyle, and their relationship. I seriously had a co-worker ask me what was with all the smiling.
Snowbird is the most awesome meter-maid in the history of awesome.
I wanted to give Shaman all the high-fives. All of them.
But...I am just not feeling Marrina in that "bite me" panel. It came off as juvenile shock value on the character's part, especially when contrasted against Northstar's coolly snark-laden criticism in earlier pages. I'm guessing this is deliberate on the writers' part, but it's not helping so far as warming me up to her new incarnation.
General consensus, though, is that my brain needs a cigarette after that bit of lovely. These guys give good Flight.
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I don't think Aurora was trying to liquefy Citadel's adamantium armour, but his flesh and bone hand inside it. Like if you grabbed someone by the head and shook them real hard, you'll injure the brain, but not the skull. I think that was what she intended.
As for the book, I LOVED IT! Okay, Shaman seemed a little OOC when he talked about punching people out for calling him an Indian, and Marrina calling Citadel "land mollusk" was kinda silly, but overall the writing was great. I liked JP's reaction to being called on by Dept. H, as well as his snide comments to Guardian. Fits his character exactly. In fact character-wise, everyone seemed spot on, with the noticeable change in Marrina being the exception. I hope we get to learn what is behind this new attitude of hers, either in the maxi, or an ongoing series.
As for the story, it takes me back to when comics were mostly one-and-done tales. Lots of sweet super powered action, some nice back story to flesh out the characters, and a nice set up to lead into the maxi. This is the kind of comic book I enjoy reading.
The art, aside from I think three bad panels all involving Walter in either his human or Sasquatch form, was amazing! Oliver and Green should be proud of their work. Well done guys!
Kudo's to my son. On his day off from work, but went on a hour long bus journey to get his old dad a comic. :-)
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All I'll say about Purple Woman and Citadel is one man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I hope we see Kara again before the end of the Maxi. This Alpha fits into this day and age, Shamans atitude to being called indian is understandable. It's a bit removed from the Shaman we know, but there's been a lot of changes in his life and character growth can only be a good thing. The interaction between Northstar and Guardian was top notch, no real hate from JP, more like banter. I really enjoyed this and it felt like Alpha. As for Marrina :-) Teenage Rebel. Mum and Dad (Mac & Heather) are gonna have their work cut out with that one.
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The good:
- The art. Not my favourite that I've seen come out of Marvel lately, but pretty high up there nonetheless. Great stuff.
- Remembering that, oh yeah, they're all actual characters with fully fleshed out personalities. How novel!
- Sasquatch and Aurora. Perfect banter for two people with their history, and Walter in his stupid-looking flight suit! Loved it.
- The nods to continuity, particularly finally dealing properly with the Hudson baby. <3
- Aurora still has her Weapon X powers, say whaaaaaat? Did NOT see that coming, was ecstatic. Seems like the twins are constantly having their powers altered and then getting reset back to default every five minutes, so nice to see one of the alterations stick.
- Anne McKenzie!Snowbird. I didn't realize how much I missed that particular alter ego until I saw her in action again.
- Surgeon!Shaman. Amazing how just remembering that he's an awesome doctor as well as a crazy awesome magic user adds a ton of badass points to him.
- Northstar and Guardian's banter. Dude, you're not fooling anyone.
- The way it ties in with the Canadian election. Can honestly not remember the last time I read a Marvel comic that genuinely topical.
The slightly less good:
- I still can't get into Northstar and Kyle. Just... blurg. I'd hoped seeing them under some genuinely good writers would turn things around, but nope, can't stand it/them/Kyle in general. Nice to finally see an on-panel kiss for JP, though.
- Some more on how Kara got to this point would have been nice, though that's something that can always be filled in later.
The stuff I'm still waiting to pass judgment on:
- Yet another evil government storyline. Seriously, Marvel Canada is basically the most corrupt, messed-up place in this side of the Shi'Ar.
- Marrina's personality transplant. I'm digging it, but it'll need a bit more exposition showing how she got there to buy it fully.
The terrible:
- The next issue isn't out yet.
Loved it. Loved it. Loved it.
Miss a little... You miss alot.
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No, if you look at his hand after, the armour's intact.Quote:
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"J'en ai" rather than "J'en ais" at one point...Quote:
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gtg, visitors right here (flipping through the issue as I type and speak to them)...
Given that 0.1 had to introduce the 8 members of Alpha Flight without all the baggage from previous incarnations and tell a story too, I'd say this book does a decent job.
Kara is "Purple Woman," now; it even says so in the comic. Unless US Agent actually captured him, Kara's father (The Purple Man) is still running around loose in Canada. I wouldn't be surprised if KILLGRAVE shows up at some point in this maxi-series. Briefly, though, I hope.
I like Narya getting two moments to shine (first, as "Anne MacKenzie", then as "Snowbird"), and I like Shaman getting more depth instead of just being the melancholy stoic prone to dwelling on past mistakes. Bring back Elizabeth and I'll be happy to no end!
More Walt/Sas-JM/Aurora banter, please.
Since the team seems to have the implants (even Northstar), Marrina's ill-timed "going off" may have been triggered.
But anybody (at Dept. H) who thinks putting "ping"-inducing implants in an alien, a demi-goddess, a mystic, and a woman with multiple personalities is a good thing---leading to good results---ought to have his head examined.
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I did!Quote:
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Kinda. I noticed Agent Brown, but forgot where I knew him from.
I would've totally got away with it, too, if I hadn't just admitted it right here.
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of that side of it.Quote:
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I loved that bit. At first, I thought 'Do mounties do that?', then I though 'presumably, she just got a different job in a similar field'.Quote:
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Really? I thought it was kinda obvious from the start, but I knew it going in.Quote:
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the exception being Guardian's face - too feminine, and his mask makes him look sleepy.
I did not get that at all. Thought it was fine.
Agreed on both points. I won't be adding Oliver to my list of people who can draw Sasquatch, though he's by no means the worst. (Eaglesham, on the other hand, has made my list! Mwahahah-- wait, I meant that in a good way.)Quote:
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Also, they did lampshade Kara's switch to the bad side. It came a bit late in the book for me, but it's not like they spent the whole book acting like she'd always been a villain.
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Actually, the original, a lot of people did read it!Quote:
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True, unless you read anything with Katrina Dean (but not, oddly enough, her girlfriend in Runaways), Wiccan and Hulkling (Avengers: Children's Crusade), Batwoman (various Bat-books, her own title is supposed to be coming soon), The Question (she's... around somewhere), Rictor and Shatterstar (thanks to Peter David's canon slash in X-Factor or X-Force), Anatole (X-books), Daken (X-books)...Quote:
Plus, quite honestly, you don’t find many openly homosexual characters-even in current books.
this isn't something I keep track of, so I've probably forgotten examples.
A theory backed up by the artwork. That was what I thought, too.Quote:
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They never proved I did that, by the way.
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Although, (and this has been discussed elsewhere), the pingers are over-distributed in this issue. Only about three or four of them had them in the original. Shaman and Heather never did, and Northstar had his removed.
If crimefighters fight crime, and firefighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight?Quote:
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Uh, not true.Quote:
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Also, well done your son. You have taught him well.
But remember to bury your feelings, they can be used against you.
And I thought we'd been filtering out the negative ones. It's good to see we're not; that means that most of them have been positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
While I agree that the people monster would be impossible (and that's not a plus of this book for me), I don't care nearly as much as this reviewer does. Also, did he notice that there was a restofthebook? It wasn't twenty pages of just that monster.
I never got the impression Birdie had one - she was just there the whole time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
Also, Byrne established that they couldn't implant one in her. Not that these guys, frankly, got everything right.
- Le Messor
"I was in a band once..."
~ A Canadian border guard in Suck. Played by Rush's bassist.
Excellent point. But AIM cloned Snowbird, so who knows what somebody else might try to do. But I truly hope that no one attempts to put one in Snowbird. [I feel sorry for the one who tries]. Yet, Northstar seems to have an implant, and he's just the main one who (imo) would object. I don't see Michael willingly subjecting himself to this, nor Heather. Who would Michael trust enough to perform this type of surgery?Quote:
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I never got the impression Birdie had one - she was just there the whole time.
Also, Byrne established that they couldn't implant one in her. Not that these guys, frankly, got [I
BTW, the giant human purple monster-man was a bit of a stretch for me, too, but you can't have everything.
In one of the interviews, I believe this series is supposed to be an "in-continuity reboot". Seems to be working.
And has, on-panel, had his removed. Marvel Fanfare v.1 #28.Quote:
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- Le Messor
"Try and make the feelings and actions of Christmas part of everyday life."
~ Sars Henderson
i loved the people monster, showed originality and a really cool way to use her powers. movies like batman and iron man really are killing books that things have to be SOOO realistic.
put me in the "fan of the people monster" category!
Yeah I agree that it showed alot of originality. Makes Purple Woman seem very bad ass and cool. Almost make you want her on the team again.Quote:
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I am completely and fully behind your second statement; in fact, it's one of my biggest bêtes-noir in current comics.
'originality'? Nuh-unh. I've seen it done, and very recently, and much better (partly because it takes away the realism issue). Details to follow.
- Le Messor
"I’d love to, but I have to knit some dust bunnies for a charity bazaar."
Karma (X-Books)Quote:
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Mystique (bisexual...at the very least!; X-Books)
Bling! (bisexual; X-Books - notice a bit of a theme here?)
Moondragon (Marvel Cosmic)
Phlya-Vel (Marvel Cosmic)
Flatman (GLA)
Obsidian (JSA) and his boyfriend Damon
Tasmanian Devil (non-assigned DC)
Starman (JLA)
Ramsey Spencer (Manhunter)
Savant (bisexual; Birds of Prey)
Creote (Birds of Prey)
And that's not even getting into the very minor characters, the creator-owned stuff, or even the imprints at the Big Two (Vertigo, Wildstorm, Icon, etc.). The issue is usually less the number of queer characters in comics, but how few of them get anything like significant page time, let alone get to be leading characters in a team line-up.
Lots of them do, though.Quote:
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And, given the number of X-books listed above, where nobody but Scott and Emma get page time anyway...
- Le Messor
"Few people do business well who do nothing else."
~ Lord Chesterfield
I'll bet that guy who complained about the purple person-person probably hated the Stay-puffed Marshmellow Man from Ghostbusters too because there was no way he could have supported his own weight. Also on another topic, I thought artists were going for the more realistic look but when did Northstar get implants! :o
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I actually agreed with him about the purple person (I've just written a review that talks about it), but not about Stay-Puft. One of the differences (mentioned in my review) is that Stay-Puft is magical. Another is that for this to work, every single one of those people would have to have breath-holding training from Jacques Cousteau, and acrobatics training from Cirque De Soleil. Otherwise, they couldn't hold themselves together like that, or, if they were on the inside, breathe. Let alone the strength required to pull it off.Quote:
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What I disagreed with him on was, it wasn't nearly as big a deal as he made out of it. Okay, I wrote in length, but I do that. It wasn't the only thing in the issue, and unlike him, I noticed.
Yes, I know he didn't actually talk about Stay-Puft.
- Le Messor
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