Amazing X-Men #12 Review Spoilers

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10-23-2014
berserkerclaw

Amazing X-Men #12 Review Spoilers

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World war Wed I go comes to an end.

Art wise barberi and Coelho do a great job.

So Northstar and Aurora rescue little amber from the wendigos. Snowbird , Storm and fire star get trampled and guardian gets eaten by Tanaraq. And Rockslide is stepped on.

Colossus, Kurt and Rachel are fighting sasquatch is starting to want to feed. Colossus then gets stabbed in the chest by wolveriwendigo. Aurora is, starting to trash or into a wendigo. Iceman comes to the rescue joking a mile a minute and gets a cut down by storm..lol its funny but mean at the same time. The great beasts asks to get freed. Storm makes a deal make us gods and we'll free you.

Colossus is losing against wolverine Rachel and Kurt almost get hurt by sasquatch. Tanaraq shows up to cause pain then in a very cool looking page comes the X - gods lol. God forms of Storm rock slide iceman and Firestar.

They put up a fight but Tanaraq gets the upper hand. Then guardian finally escapes Tanaraq by blasting a, hole in his chest. Killing him and effectively stopping the curse.

Later Heather shows up and returns to Mac. The little girl is reunited with, her dad but no sign of the mom. All teams are in good order all this is being narrated by logan to Peter as, he awakens.

The great beast help in thier own way to heal people and make, amends for one of thier own. And the, wendigo dies with, Tanaraq, no more curse.

I thought it was a decent ending. I'd of liked to, see more of talisman and puck this issue but they were absent.
10-24-2014
EccentricSage

So what's the current status of Heather and Mac's relationship, and what has become of their daughter? If you don't mind posting about it here, but it is a spoiler warninged thread anyhow...
10-24-2014
Phil

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One of the last panels has Mac in a hospital bed with Heather at his side with a Wolverine 'voiceover' saying that the near death experience has brought them closer together than ever (paraphrased).
No mention of Claire.
10-24-2014
EccentricSage

Was there more that brought them to this point? I'm so confused how they've gone from the status at the end of v4 to where they are now...
10-24-2014
-K-M-

In a previous issue we saw Dr.strange in an interesting situation. Was that due to Tanaraq or something else going on in a different book. They really didn't explain that scene
10-24-2014
Phil

Guessing Tanaraq, but no idea how.
10-24-2014
-K-M-

Same. That's why I wasn't sure if it was actually connected. More then likely it was, but they didn't really touch on it.
10-26-2014
Le Messor

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Originally Posted by -K-M-

In a previous issue we saw Dr.strange in an interesting situation. Was that due to Tanaraq or something else going on in a different book. They really didn't explain that scene

With the (lack of) information given, I was going with something in a different book; but like you guys I could still believe it was meant to be Tanaraq.

~ Le Messor
"A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking."
~ Martin Fischer
10-26-2014
Phil

I just took it as a throwaway panel to explain why Talisman was the only one whose magic could save the day; highlighting the significance of her injury.
10-26-2014
Alphan East

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I really enjoyed this issue.
I thought they wrapped in up in a good way, with both teams working together to beat Tanaraq and Mac saving the day.
It was nice seeing the Great Beasts again. I always thought they were Alpha's best villains (with all due respect to the Master).
Still think they could have squeezed one more panel into the "hospital bed" pages at the end to show Talisman recovering with Puck at her side.
One question... with Tanaraq supposedly dead, will (or should) that have an effect on Walter transforming into Sasquatch?
Your thoughts... :)
10-26-2014
Le Messor

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with Tanaraq supposedly dead, will (or should) that have an effect on Walter transforming into Sasquatch? Your thoughts... :)

I kind of felt like they were disconnected through these issues - obvs, Tanaraq still had some control over Walter, but if it was enough to stop Walter's transformation, technically they shouldn't both exist at the same time (since Tanaraq IS Sasquatch).

OTOH, given Byrne's origin for Walter - it should.

But this isn't Byrne's origin Walter - we have to remember that.
It's Snowbird, changing into Sasquatch, possessed by Walter. Which, with Byrne's rules, would still be enough for Tanaraq to control him (remember wayyy back in Uncanny #140 when Snowbird nearly lost control to the spirit of the wolverine).

So... I'm a go with 'no'.

~ Le Messor
"A critic is someone who knows the way, but can't drive the car."
~ Anonymous
10-27-2014
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walter should be fine. This isn't the first time Tanaraq has died. So we should see him again. In the same story we saw a great beast which was killed decades ago. Though it's possible perhaps hercules brought him back to life with the other beasts unitentially

this also won't be the last we see of the wendigo either.
10-27-2014
-K-M-

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Originally Posted by Le Messor

But this isn't Byrne's origin Walter - we have to remember that.
It's Snowbird, changing into Sasquatch, possessed by Walter. Which, with Byrne's rules, would still be enough for Tanaraq to control him (remember wayyy back in Uncanny #140 when Snowbird nearly lost control to the spirit of the wolverine).

So... I'm a go with 'no'.

~ Le Messor
"A critic is someone who knows the way, but can't drive the car."
~ Anonymous

dont forget in the annual heather warned snowbird that Tanaraq took over her. Also pestilence when he took over the avatar of the beasts used that to control her.
10-27-2014
Le Messor

Good points, -K-M-.
11-04-2014
Crackity Jones

Am I the only one incredibly sad that this arc is over?
Regardless of if anyone thought AF was written well, or if continunity was followed or not, I just liked seeing AF in something current.
And now it's over. AND I WANT MORE.
11-04-2014
Phil

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Same. That's why I wasn't sure if it was actually connected. More then likely it was, but they didn't really touch on it.

Looking at it now it could have been a precursor to the Juggernaut arc, although that probably wouldn't fit with the Wolverine being dead timeline...
11-04-2014
Le Messor

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Am I the only one incredibly sad that this arc is over?
Regardless of if anyone thought AF was written well, or if continunity was followed or not, I just liked seeing AF in something current.

That's true. And Amazing X-Men was a title I was enjoying before the AF appearance.
I don't know if that makes it better or worse.

~ Le Messor
"If you aren't rich, you should always look useful."
~ Louis Ferdinand Celine
11-04-2014
-K-M-

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Looking at it now it could have been a precursor to the Juggernaut arc, although that probably wouldn't fit with the Wolverine being dead timeline...

maybe but cy has a different symbol then what was shown in the comic. Who knows though it very well could be. Guess we shall see very soon.
11-04-2014
Crackity Jones

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Originally Posted by Le Messor

That's true. And Amazing X-Men was a title I was enjoying before the AF appearance.
I don't know if that makes it better or worse.

~ Le Messor
"If you aren't rich, you should always look useful."
~ Louis Ferdinand Celine

I am having an awful time at typoing today. :( "continunity"? Really.

Yeah, I've really enjoyed Amazing so far. I don't quite understand the gripe from some x-fans about it. Sure, the book is slightly bloated with too many characters. And the writers are known for needlessly killing (which IS worrisome), but pretty much all AF walked out unscathed (to death, that is), so no real complaints from me. I just want more AF. I am selfish.
I was hoping this little arc would spark enough interest to get them their own mini or something. But there were too many characters in the book for the writers to really focus too much on any individual team, I think.

That part sucks. I WANT MORE AF.
11-05-2014
Le Messor

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maybe but cy has a different symbol then what was shown in the comic.

By 'cy', do you mean Cyttorak?

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I am having an awful time at typoing today. :sad: "continunity"? Really.

I honestly hadn't noticed. :)

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I don't quite understand the gripe from some x-fans about it. Sure, the book is slightly bloated with too many characters. And the writers are known for needlessly killing (which IS worrisome)

... actually, those sound like pretty good reasons for gripe. :?

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, but pretty much all AF walked out unscathed (to death, that is), so no real complaints from me.

Yay!

~ Le Messor
"Exits are on the way out."
~ W.G.P.
11-05-2014
Crackity Jones

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I honestly hadn't noticed. :)

It was a thing I just kept doing everywhere yesterday. In emails, posts, FB things. It got to be super annoying.

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... actually, those sound like pretty good reasons for gripe. :?

HA! hahahaha. Now that you have quoted me, and it's a new day, YES: They do sound like valid reasons to complain. D'oh. Silly me.

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Yay!

Are you Yaying because I didn't complain? Or Yaying because AF all made it out alive?
11-06-2014
Le Messor

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Are you Yaying because I didn't complain? Or Yaying because AF all made it out alive?

Alpha Flight live!
11-07-2014
Crackity Jones

I'm still sad that AF's part has come to an end in this book. :(
11-07-2014
-K-M-

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By 'cy', do you mean Cyttorak?

yep.
11-08-2014
Canucklehead

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Was there more that brought them to this point? I'm so confused how they've gone from the status at the end of v4 to where they are now...

Like every new AF appearance, things were set back to default. V4 relationship status wasn't mentioned. Character growth ignored again.
11-09-2014
-K-M-

Yeah Walter is smart again when in v4 and hulk he was dumb. He was back to normal in astonishing but no real reason how or why.
11-09-2014
Le Messor

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Like every new AF appearance, things were set back to default. V4 relationship status wasn't mentioned. Character growth ignored again.

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Yeah Walter is smart again when in v4 and hulk he was dumb. He was back to normal in astonishing but no real reason how or why.

Claire wasn't even mentioned.
11-09-2014
Phil

He wasn't smart at the end of Vol.4 though, was he?
11-09-2014
-K-M-

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He wasn't smart at the end of Vol.4 though, was he?

Naaaa he was still stammering words in #8, and then in his next appearance in Hulk he was still dumb. It's possible the Mayan Gods fixed him I suppose.
11-09-2014
Phil

I'm confused then. Never mind...
11-09-2014
-K-M-

This was walter's last speaking panel in V4. It's possible the Mayan Gods after they were defeated healed Walter
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*not my scan. Loved Dale's art
11-10-2014
Phil

Yeah, that's what confused me.
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Yeah Walter is smart again when in v4 and hulk he was dumb.

As to the gaining intelligence you could go with the Mayans or The Master's influence/damage wearing off, or just Shaman down the line I suppose.

It would have been out of place to explain it in AXM #51 and I was just happy he got a speaking part at all.