Found this juicy piece online. Says it is inspired by the artwork of John Byrne. Gorgeous.
http://gammaknight.deviantart.com/ga...t=360#/d1unevb
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Found this juicy piece online. Says it is inspired by the artwork of John Byrne. Gorgeous.
http://gammaknight.deviantart.com/ga...t=360#/d1unevb
Best Byrne imitation I've seen since Bob Layton.
One poster put it best: "Na alala ko ung ginawa nyang".
Um, what's a nyang?
(Is that language Philipino, out of curiosity?)
- Le Messor
"If you ate pasta and antipasti, would you still be hungry?"
Might be. His About Me location does say Philippines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
I wish gammaknight had more Alpha Flight work besides the volume II pic I posted a link to last week. Here it is again in case anyone missed it
http://gammaknight.deviantart.com/ar...light-56249496
After seeing that awesome Wolverine pic, I revisited gammaknight's site, and found Northstar in an X-Men spread with Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Archangel, and Cannonball -
http://gammaknight.deviantart.com/ar...rt-B-170390575
I like him best when he's doing Byrne, but his work is always good.
The only real question I have is, why is this guy not doing comics full-time?
Even if he can't tell a story panel-to-panel (I don't know that he can't, but that's the only reason I can guess), he should be doing covers at least!
- Le Messor
"Everyone must row the oars he has."
~ English proverb
I believe you already saw the answer to that question, and it is, "Na alala ko ung ginawa nyang."Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
<M Bison>Of course!</M Bison>
Monsanto has some crazy skills; I'd like to see his take on the volume 4 line-up.
That would be the volume 1 line-up (original)... 'cept the costuming on Marrina.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
Fan theory: was that really Mar?
- Le Messor
"When desire dies, fear is born."
~ Baltasar
I like this one, personally. Very Byrne-ish, especially Shaman:
http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryP...843&GSub=52557
Yes, that is awfully good! I would have rather seen it on a larger scale, and perhaps in B&W as the colours look a little pencil-crayony in places, but it is still a nice piece of artwork.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Maxwell
Even his signature looks a bit like Byrne's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Maxwell
Very good.
Guardian's a bit thin, though.
- Le Messor
"If you can't do great things, you can do little things great."
Atkins Diet. But his arteries are super-clogged!Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
I really like (volume 4's) new-look MARRINA and I think the reverse-Maple Leaf on "Heather"/Vindicator is a good design and a good idea. I'm trying not to get so stuck in the past that I can't appreciate some of the things that have actually made the originals better. [Turning "Heather" into a cold-blooded killer, notwithstanding]Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
BTW, Michael without the headband is very good; I wonder if there was a reason other than aesthetics?
'Bringing the sexy back' a reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
Don't know if anyone saw or posted this but I think you'll like it...
http://kolinsart.deviantart.com/art/...ight-293204206
Like the square jaws on Mike and Judd!
I'd like to not be, but it turns out I genuinely like the past better (based on figuring out that I get genuine enjoyment of past things that I just don't get from current things).Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
I'm not a fan of the new look Marrina.
Though she did have some of the best lines.
Well, they (v4 creative team)'re not the first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
- Le Messor
"If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon makes you furious; If you like him, he can turn his plate over in your lap and you won't mind."
~ Irving Becker
Couldn't agree more on the enjoyment-factor. Even with the issues I took exception with, I liked them a lot more than some of the "books" since then.
Updating MARRINA's look and personality are good ideas and I think one of the strongest contributions that the volume 4 team has made.
So I'm not making an incorrect assumption, do you mean the Mantlo-"killing"-Snowbird fiasco (poorly-conceived-and-executed plot device to get rid of old characters to make room for "new" characters)? It didn't take (Snowbird's "death" was corrected, as it should have been, since technological weapons weren't supposed to be the thing to do her in).
Re-reading the 1st volume is okay, but the thought of a contemporary take on the original team that tells a complete, satisfying story is what I would really like to read.
I do know that I'm pretty much alone in not liking that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
That is what I mean, though I think it's not the only thing she did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
I'm not defending it, just saying there's established precedent. (And Snowbird coming back is irrelevant - Vindicator killed her; that's all that matters for this discussion.)
I'd prefer more stories in the original style. I'd enjoy it more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
- Le Messor
"If you don't make a total commitment to whatever you're doing, then you start to bail out the first time the boat starts leaking. It's tough enough getting that boat to shore with everybody rowing, let alone when a guy stands up and starts putting his life jacket on."
~ Lou Holtz, football coach
Any chance we can turn Claremont into a huge AF fan and get him to write a Classic Alpha Flight series?Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
[Having just typed that, I realize that some of you don't like Claremont or his writing style and will be against this idea. My apologies if I have offended some. My only idea was to get somebody involved in the actual creation of AF (or in this case, Wolverine at least) from back in the JB day, some who DOESN'T hate their own creations with a passion, who could then have a go at writing the original line-up in classic stories in more of the style JB might have written them if he had continued writing (and not hating) Alpha Flight.]
I think that some of the best AF stories have come from Claremont - though I'm not certain if Claremont now could to a great job.
- Le Messor
"If you don't know where you are going, you will wind up somewhere else."
~ Yogi Berra (attrib)
Has his writing, in your opinion, slipped, or are you alluding to something else?Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Claremont
His writing has slipped in a lot of people's opinions; but I like X-Men Forever. I have, however, found some of his post-X-Men work a bit self-indulgent. Well, Sovereign Seven. While I liked it, it felt like he knew the characters, so why don't we?
- Le Messor
"If you ever teach a yodelling class, probably the hardest thing is to keep the students from just trying to yodel right off. You see, we build to that."
~ Jack Handey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_SevenQuote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
"The title met with middling success and was cancelled after 36 issues, in June 1998, after which Claremont returned to Marvel." - Geez, I'd almost KILL somebody for 36 straight issues of Alpha Flight! And that was considered a 'middling success'?!? Geez, I guess that everything after Volume 1 has been just a speck in a gnat's eye, eh?
By the way, this story actually sounds interesting to me...thanks for the tip, I might check it out in the future (or in the past, depending upon which direction my radium-powered cuisinart-capacitor takes me!).
And i see it was 36 issues, plus two annuals! Sweet!
Well, things have changed. And it was a 90s title, though don't take that the wrong way... Oddly, I remember it being longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightpath07
I had a letter published somewhere in all that, so if you get the floppies, look for it!
radium? Are you telling me this sucker's nuclear?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightpath07
- Le Messor
"If you fool around with something long enough, it will eventually break."
I can't give you a tab unless you order something!Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
I'll probably regret this, but the Mantlo-version of Alpha Flight is nearly impossible to reconcile with the Byrne-version of Alpha Flight. Unfortunately, the Mantlo era lasted a whole lot longer than the Byrne era, and during the Mantlo period, the foundation of Alpha Flight was undermined.
Not destroyed, which may have been better...undermined. Completely.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's taken years to get the team/comic back to near what it was.
And, no offense intended, others besides Claremont and Byrne have been able to do it [Chaos War: Alpha Flight through volume 4). Now, if a story/storyline can hold and build a readership as it goes on----
What part are you expecting to regret?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
Few would argue with you about that - though we have heard from people on this forum who liked Mantlo, even preferred him to Byrne. Most don't, though.
Please clarify the distinction?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
If by that you mean getting the original characters back together, you're right - though, really, it didn't need to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
Hmm... Well, when I hope for someone like Byrne or Claremont from the mid-80s will come up through time and start writing the team, I'm thinking about who has done the best job of writing them in my experience. Somebody who can capture the spirit of what made the team so compelling for me in the first place, somebody who can write a team I'll fall in love with all over again - not just figure out what list of characters were in the book in '83 and bring them back together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
There aren't many names I'll think of when I think about that (Louise Simonson? James Hudnall? Peter David?), and fewer have proved themselves (I don't think PAD has ever written AF) but that doesn't mean it's a comprehensive list, or even that I think it is. There's probably somebody I've never heard of who could do a better job - like the artist whose work started this thread. Before this thread started, I mean.
- Le Messor
"If you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop diggin'."
As mentioned somewhere else (can't remember where), a Mantlo issue of Alpha Flight is someone's very first comic. A Mantlo issue of Alpha Flight is someone's favorite comic, as hard as it is for me to imagine.
But trying to reconcile Byrne's Judd-who-was-nearly-evicerated with Mantlo's Judd-who-is-really-7 feet tall-and-has-a-Sorcerer-living-inside-him is nearly impossible. Trying to reconcile the Mantlo/Ross interpretation of The Avengers with the Stern/J. Buscema interpretation of the very same group (AF# 39 & 40) is difficult.
Reconciling the establishment that the Coronet of Enchantment (presumably) was only meant to be worn by "The Talisman" with Michael's prolonged wearing of it is hard to believe.
I'm not sure that I will feel exactly what I felt when I was reading comics in the 80's, but I do know that there are people who are still interested in telling stories with a beginning, middle, and end and that have well-rounded characters who behave in plausible ways.
I cannot say that about the Mantlo era. I could say that about the Byrne era.
And James Hudnall, Fabian Nicenza, and Simon Furman had the unenviable task of cleaning up a mess not of their own making.