Alpha Flight Movie?!

[Legerd]

Is he though? Daredevil had never fought Kingpin until 1981's #170.

Perhaps, but thirty years later you ask people who Daredevil's main nemesis is and they'd tell you the Kingpin. He has become so strongly associated with Daredevil at this point who would think it hasn't always been this way right from the start.

Whoever has one has the other.

We just still don't know who that is.

Not necessarily. The TV rights can be sold separately from the movie rights as well as the animated rights, but a producer will usually buy them all up at the same time. That being said, according to this article, Sony hasn't owned the TV rights to Spider-man since 2009, and this article leaves it up in the air as to where the TV rights to the X-men lay though I would put my money on Fox. However, according to this article, the animated rights to the X-men still lie with Marvel. This is why Marvel can produce straight-to-DVD movies using X-men characters without Fox being able to do anything.

[Phil]

Perhaps, but thirty years later you ask people who Daredevil's main nemesis is and they'd tell you the Kingpin. He has become so strongly associated with Daredevil at this point who would think it hasn't always been this way right from the start.

Oh, don't get me wrong - I totally agree with you that Kingpin is more of a Daredevil villain than a Spider-Man villain nowadays (possibly because Norman Osborn & Kingpin are very alike), but there is a large generation of comic fans who will always remember Kingpin as a Spider-Man villain first and foremost. And I'd argue that Bullseye is DD's main nemesis over Kingpin.

Not necessarily. The TV rights can be sold separately from the movie rights as well as the animated rights, but a producer will usually buy them all up at the same time. That being said, according to this article, Sony hasn't owned the TV rights to Spider-man since 2009, and this article leaves it up in the air as to where the TV rights to the X-men lay though I would put my money on Fox. However, according to this article, the animated rights to the X-men still lie with Marvel. This is why Marvel can produce straight-to-DVD movies using X-men characters without Fox being able to do anything.

It's a legal quagmire but I'd take all of those articles with a pinch of salt, especially the Bleeding Cool one. No-one knows exactly what the state is bar the lawyers. There probably isn't a definitive answer.

[Legerd]

Oh, don't get me wrong - I totally agree with you that Kingpin is more of a Daredevil villain than a Spider-Man villain nowadays (possibly because Norman Osborn & Kingpin are very alike), but there is a large generation of comic fans who will always remember Kingpin as a Spider-Man villain first and foremost. And I'd argue that Bullseye is DD's main nemesis over Kingpin.

You are probably correct about Bullseye, I was only arguing this as a case for why the Kingpin would be considered more of a DD character rather than a Spidey one.

It's a legal quagmire but I'd take all of those articles with a pinch of salt, especially the Bleeding Cool one. No-one knows exactly what the state is bar the lawyers. There probably isn't a definitive answer.

Normally I would agree about Bleeding Cool, but reality seems to bear the article out. If Marvel didn't own the animated rights to the X-men then I don't think any of the X-men cartoons, Wolverine cartoons, or the Hulk Vs animated feature, that had Wolverine and other X-men villains in it, could have been made. Fox would have kiboshed any such production, or, more likely, Marvel just never would have tried.
This is why I have hope that an animated AF show/movie could one day exist.

[Mekko Hotvle]

I corrected my previous post to show that I was meaning Kevin Smith. I like the job he did writing for the first 12 issues of The Green Hornet.