I started thinking about how ironic (or just plain hypocritical!) it'd be if I started an angry fight* about this!
You make a subtle distinction about Marinna; since I haven't read the comics since they first came out, I really can't address it.
* I was never thinking about starting said fight.
~ Le Messor
"For an actress to be a success she must have the face of Venus, the brains of Minerva, the grace of Terpsichore, the memory of Macaulay, the figure of Juno, and the hide of a rhinoceros."
~ Ethel Barrymore