Marvel sucking in the comic department.

[Tawmis]

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You'd let a kid read Deadpool?!?

The comic? Sure.

The amount of violence shown in Deadpool may be more "bloody" - but certainly no more violent than the Saturday morning cartoons of Road Runner and Will E. Coyote and all the cuss words are "#$%!" - which is what I remember reading as a kid. And look how I turned out.

Okay, well, I am a bad example... but still...

[Phil]

I am only "familiar" with the New 52 stuff for DC.

Maybe that's my issue; I'm not.

I'm enjoying All-Star Batman though.
And looking forward to the Wildstorm relaunch.

(other than with books like "Deadpool" and "Squirrel Girl", which are silly books, without much in regards to story, no matter what anyone says!)

I'm genuinely enjoying Squirrel Girl, and I'm not the target audience.
I'm pretty sure Mik and Rob are too.
What's wrong with silly? Didn't a LOT of readers spend time complaining that books were too dark and serious and not silly and fun, in the 2000's?

I mean, it's basic super heroes. How do you make it so that one audience can't enjoy it? (Answer: Bad writing).

But then the reverse could apply; the last seventy years of comics have at times made it so female readers, black readers, homosexual readers etc... can't enjoy comics (and no, not all). A comic you have really enjoyed has a good chance of having offended or excluded someone else.

Just because you don't like a comic, or it isn't aimed at you, it doesn't make it bad writing.

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You'd let a kid read Deadpool?!?

The comic? Sure.

The amount of violence shown in Deadpool may be more "bloody" - but certainly no more violent than the Saturday morning cartoons of Road Runner and Will E. Coyote and all the cuss words are "#$%!" - which is what I remember reading as a kid.

I personally disagree.
There are bones breaking, internal organs, red blood...

[Tawmis]

Maybe that's my issue; I'm not.
I'm enjoying All-Star Batman though.
And looking forward to the Wildstorm relaunch.

I am... optimistic, given I've enjoyed New 52 and Rebirth so much, in regards to Wildstorm relaunching. I am curious if they're going to simply disregard all previous continuity and do a clean reboot.

I'm genuinely enjoying Squirrel Girl, and I'm not the target audience.
I'm pretty sure Mik and Rob are too.
What's wrong with silly? Didn't a LOT of readers spend time complaining that books were too dark and serious and not silly and fun, in the 2000's?

Oh, don't get me wrong. There's nothing wrong with silly. I just don't care for the over the top, slap stick, silly, which I feel both Squirrel Girl and Deadpool are. But I am in the minority, as a kabillion people love Squirrel Girl and Deadpool.

When it comes to comics, I just want the basic good vs evil type story, we saw throughout the 70s and early 80's. Super hero battles, with some character development tossed in there for good measure. Continuity in a book/characters, all remaining intact. Anything other than that, I am not liable to connect it, because of the costs of comics these days (and well, because I collect every-single Rebirth title, so I already dump a lot of money into comics!)

But then the reverse could apply; the last seventy years of comics have at times made it so female readers, black readers, homosexual readers etc... can't enjoy comics (and no, not all). A comic you have really enjoyed has a good chance of having offended or excluded someone else.

But here's what I don't understand. Marvel has HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of characters already. Why make Thor a female? To appeal to the females who want a strong female character? Why didn't they simply use Valkyrie? (Just as an example). And let's be clear, I have nothing against female readers, black readers, homosexuals. As we all (probably know) - most of my favorites are strong female characters: Snowbird, Namorita, Valkyrie. And I have always loved Northstar, and made that clear. I just don't understand the need to diversify existing characters into "new" characters to take over their mantles... rather than developing the metric ton of characters, sitting there being unused. (I get it, in the end, because how many people would buy a Valkyrie book vs a Female Thor book? It's all about sales... And I think that's part of it... everything seems like a sales pitch, rather than an attempt to tell good stories... and I am sure there's good stories in these... I tried the female Thor, and lasted about three issues... But I am sure, elsewhere good stories are being told, I am just sad, that it's not with all these other characters sitting around, rather than changing up existing characters, because it hauls in sales... but Marvel is a business... and it needs to make money, it's circular and evil... #EndRamble)

Just because you don't like a comic, or it isn't aimed at you, it doesn't make it bad writing.

Well, it does make it bad writing to me. I am not speaking for the whole universe.

I personally disagree.
There are bones breaking, internal organs, red blood...

Understood. Different strokes for different folks.

[Tawmis]

I wouldn't show any of the Llan issues to any kid - or adult - just because it was bad.

Which loops me back around to the original topic of the thread ("Marvel sucking right now")... and as always, that's a matter of opinion (one, that I agree with 99%)...

But I was on the CBR forum today - and someone in the Marvel section - in a thread similarly titled to this one said - "DC's Rebirth is just pandering to the readers who want a basic story. I'd rather see Marvel burn to the ground. At least they'd die with their dignity."

And I thought.

They're right. DC Rebirth is giving us the basic stories, which is what I had wanted. I love books/novels. And I feel like that's what Marvel has been doing lately. I get they're trying to tell more "advanced" stories. But for me, in that medium, it doesn't work for me. And that's what it really boils down to me. I totally get why folks are digging Marvel; because they are trying to tell more complex stories. Marvel and DC are both sodas; but Marvel's just not my flavor anymore.

[Phil]

Further balance:
http://icv2.com/articles/markets/vie...lisher-october
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/11/...nies-top-spot/

[Tawmis]

Impressive that they came out on top. I still only get Spider-Man 2099 and Uncanny X-Men from Marvel.

And only (this week) dropped Harley Quinn, Batgirl, and Batman Beyond. All the rest of the Rebirth titles I collect still.