Who will be the betrayer in Vol.4?

[Garry/Al-Fan]

Mac leading the Gov't on the hunt for Alpha Flight. Wow. Not sure Mac and Heather's marriage would recover after that. You think Fear Itself will prey on Mac's reluctance and lack of confidence to lead AF?
....

I never really understood the lack of confidence thing with Mac. His own government sent him to retrieve Wolverine as his very first mission. Wolverine. His own government.
And Mac knocked him out.

[cmdrkoenig67]

I never really understood the lack of confidence thing with Mac. His own government sent him to retrieve Wolverine as his very first mission. Wolverine. His own government.
And Mac knocked him out.

It makes sense...Mac nearly killed Moira (a civilian) on that first mission (he even felt he failed with Logan, because Logan left), He thought Marrina was ready for Alpha Flight and she nearly killed Puck, He misjudged whether Aurora/Jeanne Marie's MPD would be a liability to the team and he didn't let her team-mates (or even her brother) know about her problem and he inadvertently leads Alpha into a trap (and endangers his wife) at the World Trade Center (Issues 11 and 12) when Omega Flight ambushes them, then he is killed trying to disable his suit.

Sounds like a recipe for a lack of confidence stew to me.

Dana

[Le Messor]

Wolverine. And Mac knocked him out.

As Dana's about to tell you, the problem is Wolverine's not the only one he knocked out. And that's terrible.

...he inadvertently leads Alpha into a trap (and endangers his wife) at the World Trade Center (Issues 11 and 12)...

The rest I agree with, but as you point out immediately after this one he was a bit busy being dead to stew in unconfidence.

Sounds like a recipe for a lack of confidence stew to me.

Needs more salt.
And neuro-peptides.

- Le Messor
Buffy: I think we need to get him some fresh blood.
Willow: Do you want me to kill Anya?

[Garry/Al-Fan]

It makes sense...Mac nearly killed Moira (a civilian) on that first mission (he even felt he failed with Logan, because Logan left), He thought Marrina was ready for Alpha Flight and she nearly killed Puck, He misjudged whether Aurora/Jeanne Marie's MPD would be a liability to the team and he didn't let her team-mates (or even her brother) know about her problem and he inadvertently leads Alpha into a trap (and endangers his wife) at the World Trade Center (Issues 11 and 12) when Omega Flight ambushes them, then he is killed trying to disable his suit.

Sounds like a recipe for a lack of confidence stew to me.

Dana

Excellent points, especially the Moira incident. Very valid. Yet, after accepting the responsibility of helping to defend Canada, I thought that Mac would at least be a little ticked that his own government assigned him to go into the U.S. to get his friend....a very dangerous friend. The "influencers" may have something to do with it, and if so that element would make sense, as well.

I've never really understood why Alpha Flight was so close to imploding either, but I don't want this POLL thread to concern itself with that. I think Dana has explained it so I can understand Mac's ambivalence a bit better.

[Le Messor]

Yet, after accepting the responsibility of helping to defend Canada, I thought that Mac would at least be a little ticked that his own government assigned him to go into the U.S. to get his friend....a very dangerous friend.

I agree there.

The "influencers" may have something to do with it, and if so that element would make sense, as well.

The oft-forgotten Influencer seemed to be Roxxon's thing, not Canada's.
Delphine makes a reference to 'Excellent, the Influencer is working perfectly'.

- Le Messor
"I think, therefore I am. I think."

[cmdrkoenig67]

Excellent points, especially the Moira incident. Very valid. Yet, after accepting the responsibility of helping to defend Canada, I thought that Mac would at least be a little ticked that his own government assigned him to go into the U.S. to get his friend....a very dangerous friend. The "influencers" may have something to do with it, and if so that element would make sense, as well.

I've never really understood why Alpha Flight was so close to imploding either, but I don't want this POLL thread to concern itself with that. I think Dana has explained it so I can understand Mac's ambivalence a bit better.

Giddy or not about his first mission to go after Wolverine, he also failed in it. Alpha Flight failed again to obtain Logan when they ambushed the X-Men in Calgary. He also probably feels he failed with Beta and Gamma Flights (who became Omega)...He doesn't know that Delphine and Jaxon were using some device to "influence" the Omegans. I mentioned the "leading Alpha into a trap" and his death, he must remember all of that...He was perfectly conscious up until his suit blew.

Failing to re-obtain Wolverine twice and his perceived failure with the other tiers of Department H must weigh on him (added to the other weights I mentioned in the other post).

Dana

[Legerd]

He also probably feels he failed with Beta and Gamma Flights (who became Omega)...He doesn't know that Delphine and Jaxon were using some device to "influence" the Omegans. I mentioned the "leading Alpha into a trap" and his death, he must remember all of that...He was perfectly conscious up until his suit blew.

I never thought about that, but you're probably right. He would think, other than Bochs, that all the Betans/Gammans didn't just dislike him, but hated him enough to turn on and kill him.

[Le Messor]

Everybody dog pile on FP!!!

I never thought about that, but you're probably right. He would think, other than Bochs, that all the Betans/Gammans didn't just dislike him, but hated him enough to turn on and kill him.

Well, other than Bochs and Madison.
Never fully got why he 'knows' that Bochs wasn't evil. Well, I know why Mac knows, but why everybody else knows when Mac died before telling anyone.
The fact that Bochs was tied up... maybe. But the bad guys could've done that to absolve him - Bochs could possibly have done it himself. He's one of the few characters who could do super-powered shenanigans while tied up.

FP, we trusted you!

- LM
"I think, therefore I am paid."