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    Quote Originally Posted by EccentricSage View Post
    Well yeah, as long as the company isn't in the red, money is being made. I don't think that should even be credited to JQ, JQ's job is supposed to be keeping the continuity from getting too screwed up and preventing damage to their intellectual property. Look at how good they are at alienating people who did want to read their comics by not even keeping their **** straight between runs? They've made precious little off me since the mid 90's. I've met plenty of people who used to read Marvel and stopped in the 90's. Doesn't seem like a great business model, to me. Then there's the ridiculous pricing. Are they only making most of their comic book revenue off of the collectors now? All the constant relaunching and variant covers plus outrageous pricing would have me think They're just milking the last of their big spenders for all they're worth. I can't even afford the few titles I'm actually interested in reading! Way to grow their audience!
    Oh, I completely agree with you.

    But I am going to take a page out of Phil's book (don't worry, Phil, I'll put it back when i am done!), and say it is all about the money. Thanks to the success of Marvel on the big screen, Marvel no longer sees themselves as a comic book company; they are a corporation, an empire, a conglomerate. Take your pick of many other nasty big words. They're "the man" and they are trying to stick to you.

    In all seriousness, Marvel will do whatever it can to rake in your cash, and as much of everyone's else's cash, as they possibly can. They'll reboot their entire line, every 2 years. They'll make every series restart at Issue # 1, every 3 months ("its a better jumping on point"). They'll put out 14,000 variant covers to Scooby-Doo Meets Casper # 121, all signed by various people who may or may not have ever worked for Marvel before. They'll charge you $13.00 for a comic, while they cut back and print it on cheaper, recycled paper. They'll pay their writers and artists less, and so end up with inferior ones. They'll call your mom in the middle of the night and tell her she has won a million dollars in an Indonesian lottery, and all she has to do is wire $500 to the Marvel offices in order to receive it. They'll make a comic that has a miniature robot in it, that'll sneak out of the comic at night and steal BOTH your kidneys and sell them on the black market.

    The point is, Marvel doesn't care about you, or me; they're too big for that. All they care about is, how many bajillions of dollars did we make this month, and how can we make even more bajillions next month?

    And, as i am sure Phil will point out, and he is mainly correct, DC isn't any different. Nor is GE, or Ford, or Sony, or Apple.

    Joe Q's job is safe, because nobody cares if he does a good job at it. as long as the money continues to flow.
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    My point is that they'd make more off their comics if they weren't destroying the MU, that is all.
    "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice, you must be Marvel."
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    Quote Originally Posted by EccentricSage View Post
    My point is that they'd make more off their comics if they weren't destroying the MU, that is all.
    I hear ya. i used to think that way, as well. But, Marvel doesn't. They clearly either, (a) don't care that they may be destroying the MU, or, more likely, (b) don't care what you (the reader) thinks up until such point as it dramatically negatively affects what they make. And since Marvel is a mega-conglomeration, who sells comics, movies, characters, advertising, towels, sheets, pillowcases, bedspreads, blankets, t-shirts, socks, underwear, etc etc etc...I doubt that merely a few people refusing to buy their comics will cause any of them to get a less-than-perfect sleep tonight, or any other night. In their mattresses stuffed full of money, I might add.

    If the readers don't like it, then they should go elsewhere. That won't fix Marvel, but at least it'll make the readers go somewhere else and hopefully find happiness there.

    Sorry if I sound bitter; just calling it like i see it, tho.

    There are a million comic book characters in the sea, and Marvel only owns a fraction. Find another character(s) you like, elsewhere, and then you won't have to deal with Marvel. And, yes, I am taking my own advice, and am inching toward that time in my own reading; one day soon i'll get there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flightpath07 View Post
    The point is, Marvel doesn't care about you, or me; they're too big for that. All they care about is, how many bajillions of dollars did we make this month, and how can we make even more bajillions next month?
    Quote Originally Posted by EccentricSage View Post
    My point is that they'd make more off their comics if they weren't destroying the MU, that is all.
    Thinking about it, I think I never thought they cared about us, the readers (well, not so much) - but I did used to think they cared about their characters and their universe. And their stories.
    Now, I'm not so sure.

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    There are a million comic book characters in the sea, and Marvel only owns a fraction.
    Marvel owns Matt now? I wish they'd put him away, then, he's not that great.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flightpath07 View Post
    Find another character(s) you like, elsewhere, and then you won't have to deal with Marvel. And, yes, I am taking my own advice, and am inching toward that time in my own reading; one day soon i'll get there.
    Semi-good advice; the down side is, I like their characters best.
    Or, at least, I used to. And I'm having trouble forgetting that. (Don't worry - stuff like v4 is a huge help in that area.)

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    Note to LeMessor (with Subliminal Message attached):

    You made some really good ('read more AF Volume 4') points here. All in all, I enjoy your posts ('send Marvel more of your hard-earned money; forgot about buying comic books, just endorse your paycheque on the back and send it straight to Marvel HQ!') almost every time i read them (except when I am in the bathroom?). You should get a job as a ('anesthesiologist') comedian. Next time you are in N.A., come and ('buy more records by Sonny and Cher') visit me!
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    Thank you, FP.
    Now, how do I set up my paychecque to go straight to Marvel... and where is that urge coming from?

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    I say we steal from Marvel.
    "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice, you must be Marvel."
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    Quote Originally Posted by EccentricSage View Post
    I say we steal from Marvel.
    Bad idea... they're like banks. They rob you blind, day after day, making promises then breaking them.
    But then you rob one of them once, and they make a federal case out of it and excuse me I have to run...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EccentricSage View Post
    I say we steal from Marvel.
    Well, a lot of their ideas were stolen to begin with. Usually, characters stolen from the hard-working people who created them.

    Yes, i know, i know, they signed contracts giving all their creations to Marvel. And it happens at DC and most everywhere else, too. Doesn't make it 'right'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flightpath07 View Post
    signed contracts giving all their creations to Marvel.
    Doesn't that remind you of that episode of The Twilight Zone where they made this guy a contract, and then they took his tongue, and it just kept growing and making bigger tongues...

    Cool, huh?

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    The internet, my friends, the internet. I'm not saying we gather in Marvel Headquarters' lobby and say 'this is a stick up'.

    And then after reading something for free, if we actually liked it, we go buy it.
    "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice, you must be Marvel."
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    Quote Originally Posted by EccentricSage View Post
    The internet, my friends, the internet. I'm not saying we gather in Marvel Headquarters' lobby and say 'this is a stick up'.
    I like that plan. Tell me more...
    eg: where do we get the sticks? Where's Marvel's lobbby? (Wait, I know that one.)

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    Vhat is this 'inter-nyet' that you speak of, comrade?
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    Cannnnnnnn we please steer this thread away from illegal activities before the nice people at Marvel who allow us this site name and to use their images shut us down.
    Thank you

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    This thread just loves to steer into dangerous waters, doesn't it?

    Hmm... politics, anyone?

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