Volume 4 questions

[Le Messor]

My bad. Must've been after the black oil outbreak in the mid 90's.

[Legerd]

I think you are forgetting all the people forcefully rounded up and sent to internment camps. Plus, all the people who ended up with only 8 toes.

All the people killed in the nation's capital when the Master's ship rose out of the ground. The death of the Prime Minister. Yet another round of elections.

Actually, i doubt that there would have been ANYBODY in Canada not affected by this storyline!

True, but if Marvel U Canadians are like the peoples of any other Marvel U nation then they'll be voting for the Master come the next election.

[Le Messor]

True, but if Marvel U Canadians are like the peoples of any other Marvel U nation then they'll be voting for the Master come the next election.

If the competition's anything like the pollies in the real world, they're still better off with him.

- Le Messor
"The driver is safer when the road is dry. The road is safer when the driver is dry."
~ W.G.P.

[Flightpath07]

True, but if Marvel U Canadians are like the peoples of any other Marvel U nation then they'll be voting for the Master come the next election.

All those with four toes per foot get into the Master Party for free!

[Garry/Al-Fan]

I agree with Flightpath07: there are few people who wouldn't be affected by the actions of The Master's plan. The events cannot plausibly be swept under the rug (confined to a few politicians and reporters), the destruction of Parliment Hill itself would have been news of a global nature.

As much as I dislike disagreeing with Le Messor, it doesn't seem like we read the same series. The Master should do things in a big way, and he did.

[Flightpath07]

I agree with Flightpath07

Aw, geez, I'm tearin' up!

"I'm a little verklempt. Talk amongst yourselves."

[Le Messor]

... I dislike disagreeing with Le Messor...

Thanks! But, why? It's not like I'm always right or anything.

- LM
"Wherever I climb I am followed by a dog called 'Ego'."
~ Friedrich Nietzsche

[Jason Eberly]

I agree with Flightpath07: there are few people who wouldn't be affected by the actions of The Master's plan. The events cannot plausibly be swept under the rug (confined to a few politicians and reporters), the destruction of Parliment Hill itself would have been news of a global nature.

Don't make the mistake of putting our real world sensibilities upon the comic book world. This is a world which has dealt with the destruction of the World Trade Center in the early issues of X-Force a good decade before it happened in our world with nary a ripple across the Marvel Earth. Alien invasions, countless landmarks destroyed and rebuilt, entire nations literally wiped off the map, and yet life continues on day-to-day.

[Flightpath07]

Don't make the mistake of putting our real world sensibilities upon the comic book world.

Seriously though, if we DON'T do that, then all we have is a story that means little to us and that we cannot emotionally connect with. And if that is all these stories become, if we don't live them out in our minds and talk about them in great and minute detail, then what use is this site, or any site about any comics books at all?! In fact, i think that we HAVE TO put our real-world sensibilities into our discussions of comic books, lest all we have are conversations about nothing at all. If we cannot compare them to real life, then what are we to compare them to? For real life, after all, is all we know.

[Phil]

Let's not forget that this is the MU where it's citizens are invaded by aliens and tyrants and villains on a daily basis and have their cities and homes destroyed every other day

[Le Messor]

Seriously though, if we DON'T do that, then all we have is a story that means little to us and that we cannot emotionally connect with...

Yeah, I agree with FP here.
(As long as we don't take it too far; trying to be too 'ultra-realistic' and trying to be taken seriously (by who, I don't know) are two of the reasons I'm finding it really hard to find enjoyable comics these days.)

Let's not forget that this is the MU where it's citizens are invaded by aliens and tyrants and villains on a daily basis and have their cities and homes destroyed every other day

Only in New York!

Let's all just agree that I'm wrong on this one, and move on. I haven't paid as close attention to v4 as I did to, say, Byrne's run, so my comments about it not affecting ordinary citizens that much are probably wayyyyy off-base.

- Le Messor
"If you want to drive a cryptographer crazy, send her a page of random text."
~ Mark T. Shirey

[Le Messor]

... the destruction of the World Trade Center in the early issues of X-Force...

Wait... wasn't it just heavily damaged, not destroyed?

[Garry/Al-Fan]

Don't make the mistake of putting our real world sensibilities upon the comic book world. This is a world which has dealt with the destruction of the World Trade Center in the early issues of X-Force a good decade before it happened in our world with nary a ripple across the Marvel Earth. Alien invasions, countless landmarks destroyed and rebuilt, entire nations literally wiped off the map, and yet life continues on day-to-day.

I'm actually glad you stated that: I don't consider the Mantlo version legitimate (primarily because of glaring inconsistencies within the run itself i.e. the continuous reference to Snowbird as a "goddess" instead of a demi-goddess, and her desire for mortality instead of "humanity"); I'd much prefer to forget that "Heather" killed her cousins, though I'm not sure if the judge who granted them custody of Claire --- which is in (vol. 4) # 2 --- could. Unless comic folks can just forget about the stormtrooper thugs taking over police precincts and people being rounded up and put in internment camps and the "death" of their Prime Minister (I assume Cody was killed, but I personally would like that character to stay around, too), I stand by what I wrote: the consequences of this were severe.

If the next creative team to handle Alpha Flight doesn't want to delve into it, that's okay with me. Comics don't have to be that "realistic." IMO

[Mokole]

Thanks! But, why? It's not like I'm always right or anything.
- LM

No, you're not Sheldon.

[Flightpath07]

No, you're not Sheldon.

Yes he is.