So let's see your ranking of Alpha Flight members (for as far as you have gotten) - as well as anyone else who wants to rank top to bottom.
Guardian (Mac)
Vindicator (Heather)
Northstar
Aurora
Sasquatch
Snowbird
Shaman
Marrina
Puck
Talisman (Elizabeth)
Madison Jefferies
Box (Bochs)
Diamond Lil
Manikin
Purple Girl
Goblyn
Ranking our faves?Originally Posted by Tawmis
1. Guardian (Mac4evah)
2. Northstar
3. Aurora
4. Puck (when not moping about Heather)
5. Shaman
6. Talisman
7. Bochs
8. Jefferies
9. Sasquatch
10. Manikin
11. Purple Girl
12. Heather (MAKES ME SO SAD THAT SHE RANKS HERE BECAUSE SHE NOW SUCKS).
Wow. My heart breaks.
You don't even rank Snowbird???
Well, I said earlier, Northstar and Aurora's origin gets "fixed"... Aurora where she is, ends up "fixed" also, if I recall, due to a villain later... Heather... she tries to get fixed, but too much damage is done to her, to ever like her in costume, in the original Alpha, and even in the following volumes... in Amazing X-Men, at least, she seems reset... as for Purple Girl and Manikin... I care for neither of these characters, so they could fall off the edge of the world, and the Sasquatch woman thing, gets fixed... eventually, but not nearly soon enough. And Mac, well, that gets fixed too. See what you have to look forward to? Other than Heather, you're in good hands.
Because you care and want to hope that they all get fixed...Jeez, after typing all of that out, I have to wonder why again I am still reading this.
I like to think I am funny, my wife would argue otherwise.
Or the editors didn't care about Alpha Flight, in general.
I stuck through it, the entire original run, because of how much I liked the team. I kept hoping they'd get fixed.
#106? The Coming Out Issue, perhaps?
It was like a family! What are you talking about? A Charles Manson killing one another type family, but a family nonetheless...
This is what I was alluding to when I told you he'd stop picking on Heather. Technically, he does.
A slip-up, perhaps?
Yeah, most of it does get better... less worse, anyway.
~ Le Messor
"Most of our lives are about proving something, either to ourselves or to someone else."
I see.
I am considering skipping issues #52 up to when Northstar returns. And jumping back on when he returns. I don't know. I don't want to read about Not Alpha.
And that's why I have such a problem with most of the later volumes. Part of it, anyway - it's Not Alpha.
However, there are some good stories between #52 and #82. I wouldn't recommend skipping all of it.
oooh, no.I was actually going to read #52 because that's the one titled "FLASHBACK!", right?
I do like the Jim Lee art.
Ugh. How did you all stick it through Not Alpha??
The original characters are the ONLY reason I am still reading this series.
And as of now, there aren't any originals on the team.
and
Indeed it was! She put Snowbird back in there and I was able to piece my heart back together!
As expected. If you didn't complain, I'd be more worried.
Don't because...
... this! ^^^
I believe the intention was to replace Alpha Flight entirely. Bill does good if he has a clean slate. This is why I think he initially did so well with ROM and MICRONAUTS which were both fun stories to read. (Not very much character development in either one, but they were still that comic you read for just some brainless fun).
When V2 came out, I recall enjoying the series. I recently tried to re-read it, and couldn't get past the original artists' work. Especially how he drew uh... "Mac" (to spare any potential spoilers).
I enjoyed Radius (and his origin), as well as his half-brother (though the origin they tried to peg for him, to me, was too much of a stretch and I don't think ever got confirmed). I strongly dislike Man-Bot or whatever his name was. But for the worse character in Alpha Flight history, second place goes to Murmur. First place goes to - if you can count him, since it wasn't in an ALPHA FLIGHT series, goes to Earth Mover. (Worse character even in ALPHA FLIGHT history, you probably know who I'd say it was...)
This was the "comedy" one, right? Scott was writing?
I enjoyed Volume 4, because it "reset" Alpha Flight. Were they a little more angry? Sure, but consider what they have been through, wouldn't you be pissed too?
I liked them having an edge. I feel like that's something Alpha Flight needed. For too long, they have been treated like a joke. I think, in part, because of how Volume 1 came about after Byrne's departure. It was so horribly handled - and not just from Bill. I think in the Marvel offices, new people were tossed onto Alpha Flight, to try and do something with it, simply because it was tied to the X-Men and the X-Men were popular back then, so they wanted to see if someone could make something happen. But they didn't want to put big names on there, because they were reserved to Marvel's core, big titles (FF, Hulk, Avengers, X-Men, etc). As a result, with so many writers and artists who walked through the original volume of Alpha Flight, it became almost unbearable, confusing, and a nightmare. I don't think anyone, post Byrne, ever cared about their assignment on Alpha Flight, and basically did what they had to, to keep their jobs.
So "rebooting"/resetting Alpha Flight with some edge, I think would have been what it needed. For the market readers to say, "Oh, hey, here's this team that's not going to put up with any Bull$#!+!"
Sadly, we did not get to see that develop into a series, right when we had a great artist on it, and a writer who expressed interest in making something of Alpha Flight...
Sorry, I just keep getting stuck on b!tching about it. It's mindblowing.
Yes, that I do.
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One decision keeps popping up for me about AF# 44: if your leader (Heather) or your team-mates (Judd and Jeffries) KNOW that your powers are going to get negated if you touch your sibling, why on earth would you split the team up and have Northstar and Aurora in the same group, in a cave, going after a foe who beat them handily the first time?...
Or the editors didn't care about Alpha Flight, in general.
I stuck through it, the entire original run, because of how much I liked the team. I kept hoping they'd get fixed.
(After #29 through #56, so much bad stuff had happened that I didn't believe it could be fixed...a lot of it will be considered canon, no matter how much retro-revising. G/A-F)
#106? The Coming Out Issue, perhaps?
(The Bachelor party/bar-hopping issue is the one I don't have, yet. G/A-F)
It was like a family! What are you talking about? A Charles Manson killing one another type family, but a family nonetheless...
Once upon a time, they exploded from the pages of The X-Men. For a moment, they were "Canada's answer to The Avengers."
They were ALPHA FLIGHT....
...once upon a time.
Because you have hopes of killing off the last of your team so that you can make an Alpha Flight team ALL YOUR OWN that consists of a Mind Raper, a guy who lusts after said under-aged Mind Raper (but he splits into three different guys, so COOL and YAY!), a guy who you suddenly have become attracted to, and a Not Sasquatch/Snowbird/whatever. And all of these thoughts hit you in a splash page at the end of the book as you ponder, in depth, how your new, ALL-YOUR-OWN AF team is better than your deceased husband's and how you are better than your deceased husband, and your justifications for SUCKING. BADLY.
Here, Tawmis, I fixed it for you. I thought I had already put Snowbird on it.
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