AF Appearance Chronology

[Le Messor]

I have begun work on giving a little detail about these things.
Despite my earlier promise, there were two single-member, single-panel cameos (Talisman in Silver Surfer ann #2; and Northstar in Incredible Hulk #318; I have now deleted them.)

The post-v1, pre-v4 lot could use some work. A few issues in there that I'd have to go to another room to look through.

- Le Messor
"If the fans don't come out to the ball park, you can't stop them."
~ Yogi Berra (attrib)

[rplass]

So; are we counting Wolverine:Origin Of An X-Man (FCBD) as canon then?
Does this clash with any of the Byrne origin of Madison?

The recent issue of Wolverine, Punisher & Ghost Rider: Official Index to the Marvel Universe #8 confirms it is canon and it is placed earlier than indicated in this post, except for the last pages which are nearer to Hulk #180 of course.

[Flightpath07]

I have begun work on giving a little detail about these things.

You're the man!

A few issues in there that I'd have to go to another room to look through.

So yuo keep them in your washroom, then?

[Le Messor]

The recent issue of Wolverine, Punisher & Ghost Rider: Official Index to the Marvel Universe #8 confirms it is canon and it is placed earlier than indicated in this post, except for the last pages which are nearer to Hulk #180 of course.

Cool - any idea of when?

You're the man!

I do my best.

So yuo keep them in your washroom, then?

Comics? In the washroom?!? With all that water!
NO!!!

I keep them in the basement, with a couple of chained up kidnap victims.
I didn't say that last part.

- Le Messor
"If the plural of "mouse" is "mice", shouldn't the plural of "house" be "hice"?"

[Flightpath07]

I thought the plural of mouse was "meeses".

Say hi to JB next time you're in the basement.

[Phil]

The binding thread has made me look at this thread a lot.

[Le Messor]

I was going to use a three-ring binder, but it turns out it only takes one ring to bind them.

I've often been tempted to clip my comics page-by-page and put them in chronological order.
Don't worry, if I ever really did anything like that, it'd be electronically; and most of them would still escape intact, but I'd probably mix Machine Man #18 and UXM #139 / 140, and all the Wolverine-just-before-Gt-Size-#1 stories.

- Le Messor
"He that expected nothing is never disappointed."
~ W.G.P.

[Phil]

Right... I'm going to be trying to break this down A LOT in the near future.

Gonna start with pre-Guardian Mac...

[Le Messor]

I'd hoped we'd covered most of that, but if there's more work to do, cool.

I admit, I forgot about that one X-Men brief flashback (#147 was it?).

[Phil]

Right...

Where I've used = it means the panel is happening simulataneously, usually a flashback of the original one.
Where I've used vs it means that the two appearances completely contradict one another timewise.

There are a few minor quibbles that I've ignored; usually involving Wolverine's codename (Weapon X vs Wolverine) and Mac's use of suit is very hard to pin down.

This is by no means definitive as there are tons more to search through, but primarily going on Mac appearances up until the end of AF(I) #1:

AF 5.2
AF 6.2
AF 7.2
AF -1 Pg.3,
AF -1 Pg.4panel1-3 = AF 2.2 Pg.1-Pg.2panel1-3
AF 2.2 Pg.2panel4-Pg.5panel1
AF 2.2 Pg5panel2-5 = AF -1 Pg.4panel4-5
AF 3.2 Pg.1-Pg.3panel3
AF 3.2 Pg.3panel4 = AF -1 Pg.4panel6
AF 3.2 Pg3panel5-Pg.4panel3
AF -1 Pg.5panel1
AF 3.2 Pg.4panel4-Pg.5panel1
AF -1 Pg.5panel2-Pg.8
AF 34 Pg.10panel3-5
AF -1 Pg.9panel1-3
Wolv 92 Pg.10panel4-Pg.11panel2
AF -1 Pg.9panel4-5 = AF 33 Pg.14panel1-2 = Wolv 92 Pg.11panel3-4
AF -1 Pg.9panel6-Pg.10 = AF 33 Pg.14panel3-6 = AF 34 Pg.11panel1 = Wolv -1 Pg.3panel2 = W:FC 5 Pg.2panel5 = many more
AF 33 Pg.15-17
AF 33 Pg.18-Pg19panel4 = AF 34.Pg11panel2-3 = Wolv -1 Pg.3panel3
AF -1 Pg.11
AF 3.2 Pg5panel2
Wolv -1
UXM 147
AF -1 Pg.12-21
AF -1 Pg.1-2
AF -1 Pg.22-23
FCBD Wolverine Pg.1-21
AF 3.2 Pg5panel3-4
AF 52 Pg.3
AF 52 Pg.7panel4-Pg.9
AF 8.2
AF(II) 14 Pg.11panel1
Alpha Flight Special
Wolverine/Cable
AF 127.2 Pg.4
AF 9.2
W:FC Pg.3panel2-Pg.17
AF 10.2
FCBD Wolverine Pg.22 = Hulk 180-181
AF 3.2 Pg5panel5
AF 51 Pg.18panel6
Deadpool/Death '98
AF 53 Pg.10panel4-Pg.11panel3
W:FC 5 Pg.18
AF 52 Pg.4panel2-5 vs UXM 140 Pg.11panel4-6
W:FC 5 Pg.19 = GSXM 1
AF 17 Pg.1-3
AF 17 Pg.5-Pg.6panel4 = CLXM Pg.12panel4
CLXM 16 Pg.6
UXM 109 Pg.9panel4
AF 17 Pg.8panel4-6
UXM 109 Pg.10-17panel1 = CLXM Pg.13-20panel1
AF 17 Pg.16panel3-6
CLXM 16 Pg.21
AF11.2
AF 92Pg.6panel5-Pg.26
UXM 120 Pg.1-2
CLXM 26 Pg.3
UXM 120 Pg.3-6
UXM 120 Pg.7panel6 = AF(II) 14 Pg.10panel2
UXM 120 Pg.7panel7-Pg.17
UXM 121
CLXM 27 Pg.20
IHulk Ann8 Pg.10
FF 220
IHulk Ann8 Pg.1-9,11-34
UXM 139 / MM 18
UXM 140 Pg.1-Pg8.panel1
UXM 140 Pg.8panel2 = AF 1 Pg.2panel2
UXM 140 Pg.8panel3-Pg.11panel3
UXM 140 Pg.12-15
UXM 140 Pg.16panel1 = AF 1 Pg.2panel3
UXM 140 Pg.16panel2-Pg.20
UXM 140 Pg 21panel1-3 vs AF 51 Pg.19panel2
UXM 140 Pg.21panel4 = AF 1 Pg.2panel4
W:FC 5 Pg.1-2panel4, Pg.20-21
MT-I-O 84-85
CoC 1-3
IH 272-279
AF 1 Pg.1-Pg.2panel1
AF 1 Pg.3-30
AF 1 Pg.31 = AF(II) 14 Pg.10panel3
AF 1 Pg.32-38
AF(II) 14 Pg.7panel2-3

I've added in the 5.2-7.2 even without Mac as we know that chronologically they come first for Heather's age.
The flashback page in IHulk Annual 8 is very hard to pin down given Mac's use of Vindicator, but I've put it and FF 220 before UXM 139-140 as he's Government employed.
As before the Marvel Two-In-One, Contest of Champions and IHulk 272-279 issues are awkward to place due to the lack of Marrina & Puck (obviously as the issues were created before AF 1, but that was potentially set before) so they may be shuffled about later on.

Anyway, 6 hours well spent...

[rplass]

Phil, wasn't this already done on another site?

http://www.chronologyproject.com/w.php#WEAPON_ALPHA

http://www.chronologyproject.com/v.php#VINDICATOR

http://www.chronologyproject.com/g.php#GUARDIAN_II

Anyway, chronology gives me headache. But good luck with it. Lemme know if you need any indexing info.

[Flightpath07]

Phil, wasn't this already done on another site?

http://www.chronologyproject.com/w.php#WEAPON_ALPHA

http://www.chronologyproject.com/v.php#VINDICATOR

http://www.chronologyproject.com/g.php#GUARDIAN_II

Anyway, chronology gives me headache. But good luck with it. Lemme know if you need any indexing info.

Yup, looks like it was already done. Hm..."Guardian II" always makes me think we are talking about Delphine's Guardian...or the clone Guardian.

[Phil]

Phil, wasn't this already done on another site?

Yeah, I consulted it and http://www.marvunapp.com/master/mastguid.htm after I'd made my list and changed a few things because of them, but there are still some glaring errors, contradictions of indexes and lack of detail in parts so I wanted to go over it all for my own peace of mind, plus it's broken down into characters so I want this to eventually be one flowing list of everyone. And it gave me an excuse to re-read loads of stuff and spread all the issues out over the floor.

[Le Messor]

Well done, Phil, and thank you! I know how hard this kind of thing is.
I think, since the book already showed different teams for each mission, the lack of Puck and Marrina can be safely ignored.

~ Le Messor
Miss Wormwood: Calvin, can you tell us what Lewis and Clark did?
Calvin: No, but I can recite the secret superhero origin of each member of Captain Napalm's Thermonuclear League of Liberty.

[Flightpath07]

Captain Napalm's Thermonuclear League of Liberty

Put it in a comic; I'll buy it!