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Phil
05-24-2006, 08:28 AM
"With all due respect to Walt Simonson, Stryfe was brought to the table months after Cable was created, designed and implemented. Cable was in fact first introduced as a character in an Alpha Flight proposal that I gave to Danny Fingeroth that was green lit and moving forward until an Alpha Flight re-launch was ultimately ruled out, a condition necessary for me to jump over from the X-office. Cable walked in the doors with me when I arrived at Marvel, he eventually turned up in New Mutants and here we are 17 years later. Not Commander X, Not Quinn, Cable.

"Bob trusted me with turning the New Mutants around and after a brief period with Louise Simonson, I was handed control of the title and we created comics history. The book went from the lowest selling X-Men title to the top of the charts. Issue #100, the single proudest achievement of my Marvel career, had four printings and sold 1 million copies. No variants, no trading cards, just momentum from a story and artwork that excited a generation of fans to jump on board, setting the stage for the 5 million copies of 'X-Force' #1.

"As for Cable's influences, look no further than Bruce Willis circa 'Die Hard' meets a certain death dealing cyborg from the future. Cable however, with his mixture of sci-fi-mutant-action-hero-big-guns-pouches-scar-cyborg-fruits-to-nuts character mix did indeed create his own brand of creative spin-offs and rip-offs. Magog being one of the most obvious admitted examples."

"Alpha Flight," I asked? This was new info...

"Well, before I was committed to New Mutants, I was looking for a vehicle that I could have more plot input on and it turns out that they were looking for a new team on 'Alpha Flight.' I was a huge fan and sent in a two year proposal that pre-dates my start on 'New Mutants' by about seven months. Cable was introduced as a soldier from Wolverine's past, who would have worked with the existing Alpha Flight roster. Danny Fingeroth was eager to get me on the series, but when it wasn't going to be re-launched I opted for 'New Mutants' and was able to do a dramatic housecleaning with editorial's blessing. My second issue of 'New Mutants,' there were several new characters of my design and creation that debuted, including but not limited to Cable. The entire MLF roster was created by me, Thumbleina, Tempo, Fourarm, Wildside, Reaper were among the new villians including Stryfe to appear. The book's tone and direction was changed from that point onward. There was little to no resemblance to what had gone before with the previous creative teams. Fans can make up thier own minds as to how much I did or did not contribute to what was a wholesale creative face lift on a book that was facing cancellation as I accepted the assignment."


http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=litg&article=2467

PWalk
05-24-2006, 09:49 AM
So instead of us getting Cable we got a wannabe in Wyre.

I can't imagine what Liefeld's Sasquatch would have looked like. Never been a big fan of his art and honestly think we dodged a bullet with this one.

syvalois
05-24-2006, 01:42 PM
we can see he as a lot of humility...

SasqFan
05-24-2006, 09:30 PM
I can't imagine what Liefeld's Sasquatch would have looked like. Never been a big fan of his art and honestly think we dodged a bullet with this one.

To my knowledge he's really only drawn Mac & Heather. I think we can guess what his Sasquatch might've looked like. Here's his Wendigo from a What If? issue. Layout by Jim Valentino, Pencils by Liefeld, Inks by Scott Williams so this is probably a "best case" scenarios. Pretty sad looking at this since Wolverine's mask is wrong for Hulk 181 and Wendigo didn't have the large mane then either.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/filezilla/hulkwovwenrl.jpg

maniac mike
05-25-2006, 01:58 PM
All I can say about that article is that AF dodged a bullet there.

MM

HappyCanuck
05-25-2006, 10:28 PM
A bullet?? They dodged a bloody thermonuclear salvo!!

Phil
05-26-2006, 12:38 PM
He drew Wildchild in MCP too, and there's a Puck sketch of his floating about the t'internet somewhere too...

Phil
05-26-2006, 03:19 PM
Found it;

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/PhlpThomas/RLAF.jpg

Transmetropolitan
05-26-2006, 06:29 PM
Oh my sainted grandfather's bones... That looks crap.

HappyCanuck
05-27-2006, 02:21 AM
Well, Elizabeth certainly looks, um, 'perky'...

Ben
05-27-2006, 03:00 AM
Well, Elizabeth certainly looks, um, 'perky'...

except her face looks like she had a stroke

Ben

HappyCanuck
05-27-2006, 03:16 AM
Well, Elizabeth certainly looks, um, 'perky'...

except her face looks like she had a stroke

Ben

Um, not the definition of 'perky' I was thinking, mate...

jay042
08-05-2006, 10:42 PM
All I can say about that article is that AF dodged a bullet there.


Quite so, and makes me more appreciative of John Camilee's and Duncan Rouleau's runs on the book!

Even though, maybe if things had worked out, Liefeld's career might have died a quicker death.

-K-M-
08-05-2006, 10:48 PM
haha no way, that's funny.

mos_def
08-06-2006, 03:01 AM
John Camilee's run was okay. not hoorible but okay, IMO

Duncan Rouleau's art I like. I know others dont but I do. I call him the comic killer though. Every Marvel title he has been it gets cancelled after his work. I still liked the arcs during his run

Le Messor
08-06-2006, 03:17 AM
A lot of people around here love Rouleau's artwork.

They're all people who aren't me, but there's a few.

- Le Messor
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

mos_def
08-06-2006, 03:31 AM
I like it but he still is the comic killer. He did XFactor and bam-cancelled
AF-BAM- cancelled
He did this thing with some kid with necnoites inhis hands and I dont see that book anymore.
I liked all the arcs he drew for with plots and stuff but cancellations just seems to follow him

syvalois
08-06-2006, 12:59 PM
I liked Rouleau art because of the dynamismhe got into the book, but mostly, with him, it was obvious Seagle had fun writting AF again, with Clark(I think, that was the name) It was obvious Seagle had problems with the the stories reflected that.

jay042
08-06-2006, 06:33 PM
I think Duncan is the Ted McGinnley of Marvel artists, he's a sign the comic has jumped the shark and is on it's way to cancellation.

kozzi24
08-07-2006, 09:38 AM
To put it as politely as possible...Liefeld's memory seems hazy.

He started with New Mutants #87, didn't he?

Alpha was not cancelled at that time. Publication month of March, 1990 saw AF #82 and NM #87.

Barnacle13
08-07-2006, 03:22 PM
I'm one of those who never cared for Duncan's artwork. It hurt my eyes! I stuck with the book through the headaches though!

jay042
08-07-2006, 03:33 PM
To put it as politely as possible...Liefeld's memory seems hazy.

He started with New Mutants #87, didn't he?

Alpha was not cancelled at that time. Publication month of March, 1990 saw AF #82 and NM #87.

Alpha was in a bit of a slump at the time, they may have been looking to get a fresh creative team on the book.

But also, Liefeld tends to remember everything the opposite way of what everyone else thinks. I've read his forum occasionally (seeing how that's the limit of his creative output)

SasqFan
08-10-2006, 01:11 AM
To put it as politely as possible...Liefeld's memory seems hazy.

He started with New Mutants #87, didn't he?

Alpha was not cancelled at that time. Publication month of March, 1990 saw AF #82 and NM #87.

#87 was intro of Cable issue. Liefeld joined NM with #86 (although the 1989 annual, #5, was probably his first NM issue chronologically) but that doesn't negate your point which was triggered by something that left me scratching my head too.

He might've been thinking that Alpha Flight had gone direct-sales-only but it had done that long before that time frame as I recall.