Some Alpha Flight appearances

[rplass]

At today's comic book convention, I picked up some books with previously uncatalogued Alpha Flight appearances:

Encyclopeadia Deadpoolica: This one-shot features a reprint of the wraparound cover to Deadpool #1, with Sasquatch on it, and a blurb about Langkowski from that issue.

Doctor Strange v3 #2: A cameo for Talisman (Michael)

The Marvel Comics Index #9a: a magazine-sized index to the X-Men, published in 1981 which includes b/w cover art to UXM #109, #120, #121 and #140 on which Alpha Flight appear. Note: this was the "gem" of the day, an absolutely scarce publication that I'm never likely to see again.

The Official Marvel Index to the X-Men v2 #3: another index to the X-Men, published in 1994 which includes a color reproduction of the cover to UXM #140, on which Alpha Flight appears.

Marvel Zombies: The Book of Angels, Demons & various Monstrosities: An OHOTMU-style index of zombie stuff, including small images of Zilla Char, The Dreamqueen and Zombie Guardian. BRAAAAAAINS!!

Universe X #4: Shaman accepts a piece of Creel's body

Universe X Sketchbook: Shaman appears in a sketch, the exact same scene as above

The Wolverine Saga #1: Mac and Heather appear, and the artwork from Alpha Flight's 1st app from UXM #121

Maybe Phil can add these to the listing on this site?

Love,
rplass

[rplass]

Ah, the free Big Apple comic convention today was fun. Crowded, but filled with bargains, gee, everyone lowered their prices and the $1 bins were everywhere, the "2 for $1" bins and even "5 for $1" were irresistable and all over the place.

I found a nifty book, a hardcover. It's the 1992 X-Men Annual published by Marvel UK. Cover price was $8.95, going for $20 on eBay, I got mine for $7.50 mint from a stack of mint copies. It's a reprinting of UXM #139 and #140 (Alpha Flight appearances) with some additional [unrelated] material and a mini-poster of the X-Men. Dunno why Brit editors in 1992 were compelled to reprint those two issues from the 80s... Anyway, the book is larger than comic size, so it's nice to read those issues in larger print.

I also got me some other cool stuff, notably a Marvel Legends Sabretooth figure (Giant Man Series), which comes with a reprinted comic from Age of Apocalypse, Astonishing X-Men #2 (featuring Wild Child), paid $5 MIB!

One other cool thing I got was the Amazing Heroes Preview for Summer 1985, trivia: what important Alpha Flight event happened then... answer: of course the creative team switched from Byrne to Mantlo, and there's a 2pg article about it. I'll quote a bit of the article, a paragraph about a book that never got published but would have been very THE COOL: "Marrina will also have the spotlight, as we look at her past and how it relates to that of the Sub-Mariner in an Alpha Flight/Sub-Mariner graphic novel drawn by Mignola. (This novel will also resolve once and for all Namor's future history.)"

Another unpublished book mentioned is an Alpha Flight/X-Men limited series team-up book written by Chris Claremont and drawn by Art Adams. Likely, these two books never saw the light of day due to decreasing sales at the beginning of Mantlo's run, dunno the whole story.

Got some other neato things, like the complete 4-issue run of Age of Apocalypse trade paperbacks for $10ea, (cover price is $30ea) and some nicer copies of books I already had in my collection.

Love,
rplass

[Mokole]

Great to see you found some good ones!

[Le Messor]

Another unpublished book mentioned is an Alpha Flight/X-Men limited series team-up book written by Chris Claremont and drawn by Art Adams. Likely, these two books never saw the light of day due to decreasing sales at the beginning of Mantlo's run, dunno the whole story.

Or was that X-Alpha the one that was published, only with art by Paul Smith?

- Le Messor
"The higher up you go, the more mistakes you are allowed. Right at the top, if you make enough of them, it's considered to be your style."
- Fred Astaire.

[rplass]

Yes, that's probably it. The X-Men / Alpha Flight 2-issue LS "The Gift" was written by Chris Claremont... pencils by Paul Smith and the art is among the greatest I've ever seen for Alpha Flight, anywhere. That series was published in the Fall of 1985, which would make sense to be mentioned in a summer 1985 preview issue. No regrets on Paul Smith, but it would have been amazing too to get Art Adams on that project.

Love,
rplass

[zephyr74]

Paul Smith did a great job illustrating AF. If only he had been hired to work on the series after Byrne left!

[Le Messor]

No regrets on Paul Smith, but it would have been amazing too to get Art Adams on that project.

Paul Smith did a great job illustrating AF. If only he had been hired to work on the series after Byrne left!

Agreed. That mini has, for me, the definitive pic of Heather (when she's on the plane talking to Logan, chewing her glasses); but I would love love to see Art Adams draw an Alpha series -- especially since this one has a follow-up that does have his art.

- Le Messor
"Forcing the issue is always worth it."
- Jello Biafra

[rplass]

I had fun at Wizard World Philadelphia yesterday! There were some Alpha Flight artists there and also the incredibly beautiful Marina Sirtis and lots of other celebs. TONS of guys and gals walking around in costume, what a blast! There was this one guy in a garish but excellent Deadpool costume who got quite a bit of attention. He was carrying a big gun of course, and posing for pictures with the gun pointed at the subject's head, even the kids! The kids were begging the Deadpool guy to put the gun against their head and the parents were all, "ok hold still, great picture!!!" Amazing.

I picked up a few comics, too, some of these items are not listed in the appearance forum on this site, so I'll mention them here.

Marvel Fun and Games Magazine #12 from Aug 1980! There's a page with a word search in the shape of Canada and there are little Alpha Flight heads along with Wolverine. This is listed as *unconfirmed* on the site, but I can confirm it.

West Coast Avengers Annual #1 1986 - Puck and Heather appear in flashback to Avengers #272/Alpha Flight #39-40.

Codename: X-Men #1 - Mac and Snowbird appear on some computer monitors

Dark Angel #6 - Published by Marvel UK, a cameo of Guardian (thanks to a little bird who told me about this... quit lurking and join the board already, little bird!!!)

X-Men Universe #1 - a past, present, future comic about the X-Men, published in 1995, with a team pic of the v2 team and an image of the cover of UXM #109 (Weapon Alpha)

Giant Size Captain Marvel #1 - Marrina appears in leviathan form fighting Captain Marvel (remember Avengers #293?)

Marvel Age #78 - preview of Giant Size Captain Marvel #1

ROM #61 and #62 - with cameo appearances from Sasquatch and Snowbird! (thanks again, little bird)

Marvel Superheroes Winter Special #8 - Sasquatch appears in a pin-up

Wolverine Saga #4 - From 1990, some appearances of AF from issues #33 and #34

Universe X Omnibus - Pencil sketch of Shaman, used in a scene in Universe X #4. It's the back of his head but it's still cool.

Quasar #39 - Sasquatch's feet can be seen, an Infinity War crossover, a very tiny cameo

and two comics already mentioned on this site:

Justice Machine #4 from Comico - already mentioned here (http://forum.alphaflight.net/viewtopic.php?t=2121&highlight=justice+machine)

Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe (1st printing) - this was the nicest find, Garth Ennis was there too, signing, but I was too late to get into the very very long line. Oh, well, next show I'll snag him.

I also picked up the entire 7 issue Legion Quest cross over (prequel to Age of Apocalypse) for a grand total of $3.50, less than it costs for a new comic these days... as well as some Marvel Age issues with Alpha Flight in them, some BSG75 stuff and better condition copies of comics I already own. Also I ate a cheesesteak sandwich. Yum!

Love,
rplass

[Phil]

Marvel Fun and Games Magazine #12 from Aug 1980! There's a page with a word search in the shape of Canada and there are little Alpha Flight heads along with Wolverine. This is listed as *unconfirmed* on the site, but I can confirm it.
Is it original art or copied from an issue?


Codename: X-Men #1 - Mac and Snowbird appear on some computer monitors
I can't find the existence of this on any site? Has it got any more details in the publishing info box?

[rplass]

Fun and Games: It's definitely original art. The artist isn't credited, but it's not Byrne. I'll scan it in sometime, and I'll upload it to this site.

Codename: X-Men: It says "Marvel Comics: X-Men #1, Vol 1, No 1 July 2000" inside. But it says Codename on the cover. Here is a linkhttp://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/showgallery.asp?fldAuto=632&ID=oneshots&title=Codename:%20X-Men click on that thumbnail to see a bigger image.

Love,
rplass

[Phil]

Ahh yeah, the Marvels Comics:X-Men, the publishing company set within the publishing company.

Yeah, listed under M, also a possible Northstar in it.

[rplass]

Yes, Marvels, didn't notice that even though it's on the cover and in the indicia.

That "possible Northstar" appearance is freaky... Now that I read it, I do think it's supposed to be Northstar, except for the miscolored costume... and uh, just weird, man. Okay look, for those of you who have never read this extremely bizarre comic, the reason I'm rattled is because in this alternate universe, among other bizzaranea, Guardian and Snowbird are mutant prisoners and Northstar is a human-flesh eating mutant follower of Dr. Strange, who is also a human-flesh eating mutant and hell-bent on exterminating 6 billion humans. This raises the question of what the human-flesh eating mutants will eat after the humans are all exterminated... Fortunately, Strange decides on exterminating only 3 billion humans, but is himself exterminated when Wolverine (thankfully just a regular mutant, not a human-flesh eating one) nukes all of the human-flesh eating mutants with a nano-bomb, which was created by Iron Man, who Dr. Strange was in the middle of eating right before he was nuked.

Not Mark Millar's finest hour...

Love,
rplass

[Le Messor]

Not Mark Millar's finest hour...

Sounds fairly standard for him.

Didn't realise it was him; that does explain a lot.

- Le Messor
"Forget the Joneses, I keep up with the Simpsons."

[rplass]

Apparently, he [Millar] explains the issue in a Wizard article... haven't been able to find the issue, don't know which one it is, sure would like to read it...

Love,
rplass

[Phil]

Hmmm @ http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=163628

The lead story that supposedly has the HofM Wildchild in is written by Fred Van Lente which would sound credible... I may have to search for this tomorrow.

Plus: To remind myself to confirm them;
http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=37364
http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=171272
http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=157489
http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=18678

[rplass]

Oh, I can confirm the What If... issues. I have both of them. The Dr. Doom one is really good, just a little cameo for Sasquatch and Puck, well, the back of Puck's head really,... but I really like the story, one of my favorite What If... issues. Here is a pic of Sasquatch from a battle scene with Doom:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g214/rplass/wisw1.jpg

The Archangel one, issue #101, that's a debatable Alpha Flight appearance..... The twins may appear as members of the Marauders, standing around in a munitions warehouse. Northstar may be seen in the shadows in 1 panel and in another, what may be Aurora's right hip appears. A white starburst on a black costume is very clearly visible, but her face isn't. Northstar might also be standing to her left but unfortunately, a large speech bubble blocks a full view so we can't really see. Should a copy of the original artwork without the speech bubble surface, we could have a clear view. I'm going to say yes, it's them, you decide:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g214/rplass/possiblen.jpghttp://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g214/rplass/possibleaan.jpg

Love,
rplass

[cmdrkoenig67]

Wow!...That is some horrible speech balloon placement right there.

Dana

[rplass]

Hmmm @ http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=163628

The lead story that supposedly has the HofM Wildchild in is written by Fred Van Lente which would sound credible... I may have to search for this tomorrow.

Plus: To remind myself to confirm them;
http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=37364
http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=171272
http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=157489
http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=18678

Ok the Runaways #10, that's the link ending 171272, that's a debatable appearance. However, it's probably Jeffries. He joined up with Beasts's science team around #505 of Uncanny X-Men and this issue is current with UXM# 510ish, so the timing is right. The image is very small, but the scientist shown in the image clearly has greying temples. He's not named and uh, the thing making me not so 100% sure is the lab coat... I just can't picture Madison in a lab coat, you know? But overall I think it's him. Oh well, you decide:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g214/rplass/runaways10.jpg

Love,
rplass

[Phil]

Yeah, based on the timing of the UXM issues and the other members of the X-Club I took it as him. I couldn't justify the price of the issue just for that panel though. A back issue bin job, methinks.

The Hulk Broken Worlds one is definitely Wild Child, introduced by name and with a fair few lines. Just came out in trade, too.

[Le Messor]

I'd say that's definitely the Twinz in the What If issue. Their costumes are so iconic it's not much room for doubt.

Okay, we could use a little more of them! :)

- Le Messor
"To pursue your passion and never acheive is better than never having a passion and living with regret forever."
- Keith Abraham

[-K-M-]

Oh, I can confirm the What If... issues. I have both of them. The Dr. Doom one is really good, just a little cameo for Sasquatch and Puck, well, the back of Puck's head really,... but I really like the story, one of my favorite What If... issues. Here is a pic of Sasquatch from a battle scene with Doom:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g214/rplass/wisw1.jpg

Love,
rplass

What issue is that?

and did AoA Wild Child appear in Hulk: Broken Worlds?

[Phil]

and did AoA Wild Child appear in Hulk: Broken Worlds?

Nope, it's pretty much set on the FF spaceship that turned him into Hulk.

[rplass]

Oh, I can confirm the What If... issues. I have both of them. The Dr. Doom one is really good, just a little cameo for Sasquatch and Puck, well, the back of Puck's head really,... but I really like the story, one of my favorite What If... issues. Here is a pic of Sasquatch from a battle scene with Doom:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g214/rplass/wisw1.jpg

Love,
rplass

What issue is that?

and did AoA Wild Child appear in Hulk: Broken Worlds?

That scan came from the link Phil posted: http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=157489. It's What If? Secret Wars (2009) - #1

No, it's House of M Wild Child. He was depowered on M-day (in New Excalibur #9), and likely reverted from the gray gargoyle Weapon X look back to the fair skinned blonde Kyle we saw resurface in Loeb's Wolverine run (issue #53). I will assume Broken Worlds takes place before that because there are no piercings. Wild Child refers to himself as Homo Sapiens in this issue, but I'm not sure that a depowered mutant changes species? How does that work? Dunno, but he somehow got his powers back after this issue, presumably from Romulus.

Love,
rplass

[Phil]

No, it's House of M Wild Child. He was depowered on M-day (in New Excalibur #9), and likely reverted from the gray gargoyle Weapon X look back to the fair skinned blonde Kyle we saw resurface in Loeb's Wolverine run (issue #53). I will assume Broken Worlds takes place before that because there are no piercings. Wild Child refers to himself as Homo Sapiens in this issue, but I'm not sure that a depowered mutant changes species? How does that work? Dunno, but he somehow got his powers back after this issue, presumably from Romulus.

Love,
rplass

I'm confused as to what you're trying to say here...

The two Broken World issues are short anthology style vignettes each set in a different alternate reality.
The Van Lente/Henry story is set in the HofM universe (which we never actually saw Kyle in) and isn't connected to the regular (606) Marvel Universe so has nothing to do with our Wild Child either pre or post M-Day or pre/post Romulus.

Book Two of Broken Worlds has an AoA Hulk story in it; I presumed KM was asking if AoA Wild Child appeared in that also as Kyle was used a fair bit in the AoA. However, he doesn't as it's about the FF space accident.

[rplass]

Plus: To remind myself to confirm them;
http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=37364

A visit to the dollar bin solves this mystery: Alpha Flight is mentioned in this book (Defenders v2 #1), but I didn't see them. Big Hero 6 is also mentioned, but they don't appear either. Dunno why it's listed on that website.

As far as your other question about the House of M thing...

OK yes, the HoM story in book 1 takes place in an alternate universe not 616, and no, AoA Wild Child isn't in book 2. I misunderstood Mungi's question, then I rambled on a bit about the sequence of events of Kyle's repowering, confused by the species change to non-mutant and depowering and repowering.

Love,
rplass

[Phil]

X-Men Forever #10 features an alternate Heather, Puck, Walt and Aurora at Wolverine's funeral

House of M: Masters of Evil #4 features the HoM versions of Sasquatch AND Diamond Lil in Magneto's guard

Marvel Zombies: Evil Evolution features the Marvel Apes version of Alpha Flight with Shaman(Shamonk), Puck(Pook), Northstar, Aurora and Snowbird. Snowbird has a line. They all die.

[Phil]

Anyone got this (http://marvel.wikia.com/Uncanny_X-Men_Annual_Vol_1_1990)?

Any confirmation of the Sas/Mac flashback in the back up story?

Also, does Northstar cameo in Secret Defenders #12-13?

[rplass]

Anyone got this (http://marvel.wikia.com/Uncanny_X-Men_Annual_Vol_1_1990)?

Any confirmation of the Sas/Mac flashback in the back up story?

Also, does Northstar cameo in Secret Defenders #12-13?

Yes, I confirm Sas/Mac flashback in UXM annual from 1990. And yes they are in the backup story.

Love,
rplass

[Phil]

Does anyone have New Exiles #8?
Is (the alternate version of) Heather in it?

[rplass]

Does anyone have New Exiles #8?
Is (the alternate version of) Heather in it?

Yes, she is, in two panels but it's more like a ghosty holographic image than the actual character.

Love,
rplass

[Phil]

Has anyone got X-Men Vignettes Volume 2 (http://www.comicvine.com/x-men-vignettes-volume-two/37-126987/)?

It collects the backup strips from Classic X-Men #14-25 and apparently Guardian is listed in it. Now I know #16 reprinted UXM #109 with extra pages, but I wasn't aware of Mac appearing in any of the vignettes? I'm just wondering if the addition is wrong/confused.

If he is in one of the backups which issue is it?

[MistressMerr]

Has anyone got X-Men Vignettes Volume 2 (http://www.comicvine.com/x-men-vignettes-volume-two/37-126987/)?

It collects the backup strips from Classic X-Men #14-25 and apparently Guardian is listed in it. Now I know #16 reprinted UXM #109 with extra pages, but I wasn't aware of Mac appearing in any of the vignettes? I'm just wondering if the addition is wrong/confused.

If he is in one of the backups which issue is it?

Yeah, that doesn't sound right to me. Looks like that character list has a few characters who appeared in the actual issues as opposed to the backup stories, because I don't think Colleen Wing or Moses Magnum were in any, either.

[Le Messor]

Maybe it's the back-up strips and the extra pages within?
Okay, that's a bit of a stretch, but Guardian had extra pages in the Classics that weren't in the originals.

- Le Messor
"We prefer to call it 'The Original Series' than 'Classic Trek' so we can avoid awkward phrases like 'The Classic Trek Episode Spock's Brain'.
- um, somebody.

[Phil]

Madison Jeffries in Marvel Comics Presents #91 (http://www.comicvine.com/marvel-comics-presents-/37-34938/) anyone?

[rplass]

Madison Jeffries in Marvel Comics Presents #91 (http://www.comicvine.com/marvel-comics-presents-/37-34938/) anyone?

Yes, I have that issue. I confirm he appears in the book.

Love,
rplass

[Phil]

Yes, I have that issue. I confirm he appears in the book.

A scholar and a gent as always Rob.
Which of the 4 stories is he in?

[Le Messor]

He's in the Beast story. It's just a single panel where he's pictured among the targets for projected were-borg implants.
Along with:
Red Guardian of Russia, Gyrich, Stark, and Doom.

- Le Messor
"I didn't say I love him - I said he was handy."
~ Miss Daisy, Driving Miss Daisy

[Phil]

Written by Scott Lobdell in 1991, that'd make sense.
Cheers fella.

[Le Messor]

's cool.

[Phil]

Ahhh... complete with mis-spelling of surname.

[Bill P]

Oooh. A appearance I do not have. Thought I had everything - Off to my local comic book store.

[Phil]

Shaman in Ghost Rider (Vol.2) #12 (http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=4411) anyone?
It's listed as Strange Tales Part 1 so it'd make sense.

[-K-M-]

Shaman in Ghost Rider (Vol.2) #12 (http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=4411) anyone?
It's listed as Strange Tales Part 1 so it'd make sense.

I don't think so, I don't even know where it could even be mistaken it's Shaman either.

[Phil]

Yeah, it was on the Marvel Wiki Appearances but nowhere else so I took it with a fistful of skepticism.

[rplass]

When you don't have a fistful of beer, it's skepticism eh? Well, either way you're good. Ain't no Shaman in Ghost Rider 12.

[Phil]

Not too sure on the legitmacy of this, but hey it happened with Top Ten.

Wetworks #40 (http://cbdb.com/action.lasso?-database=comics_.fp3&-layout=master&-response=record_detail.htm&-recordID=12584652&-search) anyone? (If the link doesn't work it's via http://cbdb.com/ )

[rplass]

Yup, legit. It's a one panel cameo. Sas is in a "superhero bar" in NYC with a bunch of other characters from Marvel, DC, etc.

Love,
rplass

[Le Messor]

Ugh! Now I want to buy an issue of Wetworks!

- Le Messor
"I dote on his very absence."

[Flightpath07]

Ugh! Now I want to buy an issue of Wetworks!

- Le Messor
"I dote on his very absence."

That is what happens when you are a rabid fan. If you were a rabbit fan, you'd have to buy issues of Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew.

[Le Messor]

That is what happens when you are a rabid fan. If you were a rabbit fan, you'd have to buy issues of Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew.

Now there's a name I haven't heard in a long time... a long time.

[DIGGER]

That is what happens when you are a rabid fan. If you were a rabbit fan, you'd have to buy issues of Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew.

Don't forget about Hulk-Bunny!

DIGGER

[Flightpath07]

Flightpath's Guilty Pleasure - as a teen and young adult, I liked Captain Carrot.

[Phil]

Incredible Hulk #291 (http://comicbookrealm.com/series/1013/13517/The%20Incredible%20Hulk%20Issue%20291)?

[-K-M-]

Incredible Hulk #291 (http://comicbookrealm.com/series/1013/13517/The%20Incredible%20Hulk%20Issue%20291)?

Sasquatch definetly appears in one panel, basically its a flashback of when he and Hulk fought the Wendigo

The art for Sasquatch is almost comical.

[Tawmis]

Rom #53.
Shaman, Puck, Vindicator, and Snowbird appear.
No talking parts; just a page with various heroes (in this case the Soviet Super Soldiers are on the same page as Alpha Flight).

[Le Messor]

Rom #53.
Shaman, Puck, Vindicator, and Snowbird appear.
No talking parts; just a page with various heroes (in this case the Soviet Super Soldiers are on the same page as Alpha Flight).

What's the context? Are they there, or just being remembered? Is it a flashback to the earlier issue they'd showed up in? I imagine so because of the use of the word 'Vindicator' instead of 'Guardian' - or are they named on the page?

- Le Messor
Milton: I hate my father. I hate my life. But I feel great! You guys are great. I'm gonna go pick a fight.
Wayne: He's gotten a lot better.
Garth: Way better.

[Tawmis]

What's the context? Are they there, or just being remembered? Is it a flashback to the earlier issue they'd showed up in? I imagine so because of the use of the word 'Vindicator' instead of 'Guardian' - or are they named on the page?


I used Vindicator, because that's what I always call Mac.

The context is a page of showing the mentioned members of Alpha Flight; and they're just drawn there. The indication is that all these heroes are gathering to fight the Wraith. But they're not seen actually fighting. For example, as I said, the page with Alpha Flight also has Soviet Super Soldiers (who Rom had encountered previously) - and they're just drawn there (no backgrounds or anything). The following page has members of the X-Men, Avengers, Defenders. Again, no action; just random members of the team in various poses.

[Tawmis]

I did notice an error in ROM #56.
Snowbird arrives and thinks, "Both Sasquatch and I sensed the assault on the mystic fields..."

I assume she means Shaman, rather than Sasquatch (they're both in the issue, but this seems more Shaman's thing that Sasquatch's). :-)

[rplass]

Yeah, and Shaman says, "We have come because someone high up in the government asked Vindicator to have Alpha Flight come here - -" but there is no "Vindicator" during this period of time, because Mac had changed his codename to "Guardian" already.

Also where is Marrina's signal amulet (shown on the cover but not in the comic)? Man, this issue is making me MAD AS HELL! I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!

Well, not really but these things shouldn't have passed an editor!!

Love,
rplass

[Tawmis]

In this thread:
http://www.alphaflight.net/showthread.php?2978-R&p=43646&viewfull=1#post43646

It says Sas and Snowbird are in issue #61 of Rom. Sas I see - don't see Snowbird?

[rplass]

Yeah, I only see Sasquatch in that issue, too. Maybe we missed Snowbird.

[Tawmis]

Yeah, I only see Sasquatch in that issue, too. Maybe we missed Snowbird.

I am pretty sure I combed it over pretty well. She's in the following issue (#62) along with Sas; but if she's in #61 she's VERY well hidden.

[Le Messor]

Yeah, and Shaman says, "We have come because someone high up in the government asked Vindicator to have Alpha Flight come here - -" but there is no "Vindicator" during this period of time, because Mac had changed his codename to "Guardian" already.

Yeah, but that was true in the earlier Rom issues they were in, and they call him Vindicator there, too. Right through the book.
Shouldn't Sasquatch have said that?

- Le Messor
"I hate to break it to you, O Impotent One, but you're not the Big Bad anymore. You're not even the Kind of Naughty. You're nothing but a waste of space. My space. And as much I always got a big laugh watching Buffy kick your shiny white bum, and as much as I know that I could give you a little bum-kicking myself right now, I'm here to tell you something: You're not even worth it."
~ Xander

[Phil]

I am pretty sure I combed it over pretty well. She's in the following issue (#62) along with Sas; but if she's in #61 she's VERY well hidden.

I imagine it was an error from years back that I just copied and pasted when everything got transferred over here.
I've got the issues, but haven't read them in years, so I'll alter them as soon as I get home tonight.

[Le Messor]

I imagine it was an error from years back that I just copied and pasted when everything got transferred over here.
I've got the issues, but haven't read them in years, so I'll alter them as soon as I get home tonight.

Good idea, but how will you put Snowbird in everybody else's copies?

[Phil]

Good idea, but how will you put Snowbird in everybody else's copies?

With the power of my mind!!!

[Le Messor]

With the power of my mind!!!

Ooh! Cool.
But remember to alter all the copies in the world, because I don't have one yet and I'll want to max out my Alphans.

- Le Messor
"How can I have salmonella? I don't eat fish!"

[Phil]

Nick Fury's Howling Commandos #6?

[Le Messor]

Nick Fury's Howling Commandos #6?

Did we ever decide if the Sasquatch from #2 was our Sasquatch or something else?
Either way, is that the #6 appearance?

- LM
"I have nothing to say and I am saying it."
~ John Cage, avante garde musician

[Phil]

Yeah, the handbooks confirmed it as him, but I've found one appearance site that lists him and Shaman in #6 too.

[rplass]

Well, the Shaman appearance is more of 'possible' appearance,.... I think it could be him but it's just not clear. He's running next to Brother Voodoo and it looks like Shaman and honestly I just cant imagine who else it could be, but I'm just not 100% sure. I'd say 80% sure. It's certainly Sasquatch in that other panel so if you're collecting, you'll pick it up anyway.

Love,
rplass

[Phil]

Good lad Rob ;)

[rplass]

Oh and Phil you can add What The-?! #12 (1991) to the appearance list. It's a parody issue of course, and Sasquatch appears as a toy doll and Puck appears (as Yuck) in one panel. Picked it up today at a little comiccon in NY, along with some other goodies :D

Love,
rplass

[Phil]

Avengers Annual #21 (http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=35342)?

[rplass]

I think you mean #16, no? Sasquatch is in #16.

[Phil]

According to the link/site above he's in the Kang story in Annual #21

[rplass]

Well, I dunno about #21, but definitely Annual #16, as confirmed by Official Index to the Marvel Universe: The Avengers, Thor & Captain America #8.

When issue #11 comes out of the Official Index, we'll see what it says.

[kozzi24]

Avengers Annual #21 (http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=35342)?

There's an Alphan of sorts in Avengers Annual #22 also
>smirk<

[MistressMerr]

Well, I dunno about #21, but definitely Annual #16, as confirmed by Official Index to the Marvel Universe: The Avengers, Thor & Captain America #8.

When issue #11 comes out of the Official Index, we'll see what it says.
I just checked out #21, and there's a blond guy in glasses and a sweatshirt from 'SGCZINKASS University' (guessing that's an inside reference to someone) who strongly looks like cher Waltair. He's not identified by name, he just appears as an example of someone working on a personal computer with a Timely computer chip in it, but given that the other people in the little montage are all superheroes (Mr. Fantastic, Misty Knight, and Deathlok, for the record), I don't see who else it would be. The only thing that makes me wonder is that he seems to have a mullet, but hey, it was the 90s.

[Phil]

Well, I dunno about #21, but definitely Annual #16, as confirmed by Official Index to the Marvel Universe: The Avengers, Thor & Captain America #8.

Ahhh, all this time I've missed his hairy back in the flashback panel :lol:


There's an Alphan of sorts in Avengers Annual #22 also
>smirk<
Marrina's spirit inside the sword?


I just checked out #21, and there's a blond guy in glasses and a sweatshirt from 'SGCZINKASS University' (guessing that's an inside reference to someone) who strongly looks like cher Waltair. He's not identified by name, he just appears as an example of someone working on a personal computer with a Timely computer chip in it, but given that the other people in the little montage are all superheroes (Mr. Fantastic, Misty Knight, and Deathlok, for the record), I don't see who else it would be. The only thing that makes me wonder is that he seems to have a mullet, but hey, it was the 90s.
It was a new edit/entry to the site, and it's essentially a wiki so anyone could have added him so it could well be wrong, but your logic is sound.

[rplass]

OK yeah that's Walter in Avengers Annual #21, as confirmed in Official Index to the Marvel Universe: The Avengers, Thor & Captain America #11. It also says it's an appearance chronologically just before the Alpha Flight Special, for those of you keeping track on that chronology thingy that gives me a headache.

Love,
rplass

[Le Messor]

OK yeah that's Walter in Avengers Annual #21, as confirmed in Official Index to the Marvel Universe: The Avengers, Thor & Captain America #11. It also says it's an appearance chronologically just before the Alpha Flight Special, for those of you keeping track on that chronology thingy that gives me a headache.

That's the Chaos War special?
Is this a recent issue, then? (Avengers Ann. 21?)

It's so hard to keep track of numbering these days...

- Le Messor
"Too many people spend money they haven't earned, to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like."
~ Will Rogers"

[Phil]

It also says it's an appearance chronologically just before the Alpha Flight Special, for those of you keeping track on that chronology thingy that gives me a headache.

As in the 4 issue limited series reprint special?

[rplass]

No, the Alpha Flight Special. This one. http://www.alphaflight.net/gallery/data/707/Alpha_Flight_Special.jpg (http://www.alphaflight.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=693&title=alpha-flight-special28-2792-29&cat=707). I thought there was just one Alpha Flight Special. Silly geese.

Honk honk,
rplass

[Phil]

That makes no sense at all timewise, surely???

And technically;
939 is labeled as special.

[Flightpath07]

Some people call me special, too, but i don't think they mean it in a nice way...

Technically, shouldn't the Alpha Flight Special really be The Flight Special?

[Le Messor]

No, the Alpha Flight Special. This one. (image cut) I thought there was just one Alpha Flight Special. Silly geese.
Honk honk, rplass

That is what my mind first leapt to, but not knowing the timeline of the Avengers issue, I thought it'd be something more recent. The only other thing I could think of was the one-shot.

HONK!!!

- Le Annas.
"That is the ancient Egyptian god of frustration."
~ Garibaldi, about Daffy Duck

[Phil]

Right, this is a kinda grey area buuuuuuuuuuuuuut...

The New Avengers 100 Project (http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=227439) is basically an artbook showcasing 100 of the previously blank New Avengers #1 covers that were sketched on and then auctioned off for charity.

Tim Seeley's cover features an Avengers Try-Out line up which has what could well be Sasquatch's left side on it.

1298 (http://marvel.com/images/gallery/story/15540/images_from_the_new_avengers_100_project_day_four/image/865119)

A bit expensive to pick up just for that, but y'know, if you see it cheap & are THAT fussed.

[Phil]

Marvel Holiday Special 1991? (http://www.comics.org/issue/316270/#506072)

[rplass]

Already mentioned a few years ago Phil. Search "Rurik Tyler" on this site to see the post and an image of the appearance.

EDIT: Here's the link for you lazy lazy fans who are even lazier than Phil : http://www.alphaflight.net/showthread.php?4734-Persuasion-appearance&p=70287&viewfull=1#post70287

That's a tough book to find in high grade... damn squarebound binding and crappy cover paper didn't mix well and almost every issue you'll come across will look waterlogged and crinkled up.

[Phil]

Nice one.

[Phil]

This is a strange one, but according to the appendix in the OHOTMU HC it's considered canon, and it does have an original illustration of Heather by Bart Sears:

http://www.gamebooks.org/show_item.php?id=1715

Marvel Super Heroes Game Book: Wolverine - Night Of The Wolverine

(The US one is listed as #3, the Uk one #4; both with slightly different variations of the same cover.

[Le Messor]

Marvel Super Heroes Game Book: Wolverine - Night Of The Wolverine

Interesting, but I didn't read the text as thoroughly as I could've (I have to go vote in the tetrannual penguin parade, aka my state elections, so am kinda in a hurry. Too much so to write this, but what're you gonna do?) so what's the AF appearance? Does Mac send him on his mission?

I also noticed this:


Serval, La Nuit du fauve

Interesting that the French title has two different words for the English and Spanish one. (I don't know what a 'fauve' is; but I know 'Serval' - a type of wild cat - is his French name.)

~ Le Messor
"It is a sham, but it's a sham with yams. It's a yam sham."
~ Buffy

[Phil]

Basically he saves Heather.

It's a paperback game book. Mainly text with the odd full page b&w illustration.

[Le Messor]

Interesting.

Does anybody here have it?

~ Le Messor
"It is a statistical impossibility for a sixteen year old girl to unplug a phone."
~ Xander

[Phil]

Yeah, I got a copy yesterday.
I didn't want to post it until I'd actually seen it.

It appears to be set just after AF #33-34

It's like one of those Choose Your Own Adventure books, where your choices take you to different pages and give different story paths etc. so it can't be read straight from front to back.
I'll have a proper look at it when I can.

[rplass]

I think it's great that the OHOTMU consider the TSR game modules and books like "Marvel Super Heroes Game Book: Wolverine - Night Of The Wolverine" to be canon. Their logic is: hey why not, nothing contradicts it. Nice find, Phil!

[Le Messor]

I think it's great that the OHOTMU consider the TSR game modules and books like "Marvel Super Heroes Game Book: Wolverine - Night Of The Wolverine" to be canon. Their logic is: hey why not, nothing contradicts it.

Yes, but technically, that means I have to find a copy!


Nice find, Phil!

Seconded.

~ Le Messor
"It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to the wall."

[Flightpath07]

~ Le Messor
"It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to the wall."

Ohhhhhh...got it now.

[Le Messor]

Ohhhhhh...got it now.

Accidentally, dude, accidentally.

[Flightpath07]

Accidentally, dude, accidentally.

Well, of COURSE, accidentally. Been there, done that. And it was a TOTAL accident; I was aiming for the car, but hit the wall instead.

[Le Messor]

Well, that's okay then.

[Phil]

There's a slight technical appearance in this weeks

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At the back of the issue there's an infrographic, much like the one in Uncanny X-Men (Vol.2) #1 (http://alphaflightcollector.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/madison-jefferies-in-uncanny-x-men-1/) that includes Northstar as "Senior Staff Member" of the Jean Grey School.

[Phil]

Has anyone got Avengers Annual #17?
Apparently Marrina is in it?

[rplass]

Nice. Dont have it but check Avengers #300 for a Marrina appearance in the roster pages.

[Le Messor]

I don't, but I'm expecting a flashback-type situation.

Then again, if it's a way-back-when Avengers annual #17, it could be an original appearance.
(I have a couple of reprints of #16, just to mock me with it.)

~ Le Messor
"However rare true love is, true friendship is rarer."
~ La Rochefoucauld

[Jason Eberly]

No, Marrina is not in Avengers Annual #17. It takes place between #297 and #298, which was 5-6 issues after Namor "killed" the transformed Marrina.

It was also the conclusion to "The Evolutionary War", the first Marvel big summertime crossover event. Featured a team of ad hoc Avengers (since the team had broken up after #297) that included Captain America (in his guise as The Captain), the Falcon, Beast, Hulk (grey Joe Fixit version), Hercules, Jocasta, and Yellowjacket II (the female one that started out as a villain after stealing Hank Pym's outfit, then became a hero and traveled to the future with the [original] Guardians of the Galaxy, then returned home just to be killed by Tony Stark at the beginning of "The Crossing" storyline.).

There may be a passing mention to "The Leviathan" by Attuma (who is in the annual), but of that I am even doubtful upon a cursory flip-through of my copy.

[Jason Eberly]

Then again, if it's a way-back-when Avengers annual #17, it could be an original appearance.
(I have a couple of reprints of #16, just to mock me with it.)


Avengers Annual #16 is my favorite Avengers Annual, and one of my favorite comics ever (Top 20, I'd say).

The ending...solid gold.

[Phil]

Nice. Dont have it but check Avengers #300 for a Marrina appearance in the roster pages.

Strangely enough I think I've got that in with my Inferno issues but have obviously never bothered reading it...
Nicely done Rob.

[Phil]

There may be a passing mention to "The Leviathan" by Attuma (who is in the annual), but of that I am even doubtful upon a cursory flip-through of my copy.
I'd imagine that's where the misconception comes from.
Cheers Jason!

[Le Messor]

Avengers Annual #16 is my favorite Avengers Annual, and one of my favorite comics ever (Top 20, I'd say).
The ending...solid gold.

And it all began because somebody couldn't count.

~ LM
"It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten."
~ Principal Snyder

[Phil]

Has anyone got Thunderbolts #49?
ComicVine's entry of it, has suddenly been updated to include Windshear in it

[rplass]

Yup, it's about that invisible bullet. It's a single panel cameo showing him before he joined Alpha Flight, when he was still a Roxxon employee.

Love,
rplass

[Phil]

Talisman in Rom Annual #4? (http://www.comicvine.com/rom-annual-4/4000-26201/) The Marvel Tarot? (http://www.comicvine.com/the-marvel-tarot-1-the-marvel-tarot/4000-152202/)

[rplass]

Talisman in Rom Annual #4? (http://www.comicvine.com/rom-annual-4/4000-26201/) The Marvel Tarot? (http://www.comicvine.com/the-marvel-tarot-1-the-marvel-tarot/4000-152202/)

No, and NO. Oh god my eyes bleed from years ago trying to read the abomination that is the Marvel Tarot. Please do not attempt to read it. You've been warned. The ROM Annual, on the other hand, is a fun read. yay! happy times. But no Talisman in that, either.

[Phil]

Good. Myth's busted then!

That's the problem with open source wiki's and why I love this place so much.

[Le Messor]

Of course, there's another Talisman in the MU... maybe that's what caused the confusion?

~ Le Messor
"Those who advise us to keep going seldom tell us where."
~ P.K. Shaw

[Flightpath07]

Good. Myth's busted then!

That's the problem with open source wiki's and why I love this place so much.

I thought it was for my missing sense of humour, and Mik's color-blindness !?!!?!

[Phil]

Cameo appearances in this weeks...

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Northstar appears in a crowd scene at the JGS in the present.
Very pointy ears and a starburst necklace.

AND

Sasquatch is a teacher at the school 25 years in the future!

[Le Messor]

Cool! And, I get that title regularly, so I don't have to go hunting for something new.

~ Le Messor
"Just like the universe, as I get older, I expand and get cooler."
~ Joe Mancini

[rplass]

Wow. Pointy ears AND they spelt Langkowski correctly. This is one of the greatest days in Alpha Flight history. :)

[-K-M-]

Oh I like the constant Alpha Flight nods in this book, though hopefully people dont think Walter is a mutant

[Le Messor]

With him showing up in the same context as people like Sentinels, Ghost Rider, Blade, Deathlok... that shouldn't be too much of a problem. People will still assume that, but they won't be too shocked to learn differn.

I hope.

~ LM
"Kept apart these years more by a missed understanding than by the unknown distance and lost address between us."
~ Simran Singh

[Flightpath07]

as people like Sentinels, Ghost Rider, Blade, Deathlok...

...who are all mutants. And lupine. And have all been alive for hundreds of years. And founded the Avengers, before there was an Avengers. And invented steam, time, time travel, and antacids.

Ah, gotta love Marvel.

[Le Messor]

Has somebody let Jeph Loeb write again?

(nb: actually, I've been enjoying his Nova.)

~ Le Messor
"Kisses are a better fate than wisdom."

[Chris]

James and Heather Hudson appear on one page with Wolverine in Ultimate Comics Wolverine 4. Scene takes place in the past since Jeph Loeb killed off Wolverine in that Ultimatum story.

[rplass]

Yeah, was that Gary Cody in the panel before the Hudsons appear?

[Chris]

At first I thought that guy was Gary Cody too. But since there's no name next to him, I'm guessing that guy could have been just a passerby who looks a lot like Gary Cody cause maybe artist David Messina is a huge Alpha Flight fan?? I don't quite know.

[Phil]

And note the correction of Renee to Heather on the recap page after we pointed it out to Marvel ;)

[Flightpath07]

And note the correction of Renee to Heather on the recap page after we pointed it out to Marvel ;)

Impossible! We all know that Marvel never listens to it's fans. (For the full story, read EccentricSage's signature) ;)

[Phil]

Apparently...

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Purple Girl/Woman appears in prison in this weeks Cable & X-Force #9!
By Frank Tieri who had her in Neverland back in Weapon X!

https://twitter.com/datura1979/status/342345356010475520/photo/1

[-K-M-]

Oh that's interesting. Though is she really a criminal? before she joined Alpha Strike she was doing the crimes to rebel against the corrupt government and she was proven right in her actions.

[Phil]

Hmmm...

Did Rogue ever actually meet her/absorb her powers? I don't recall...

[Le Messor]

I don't remember Rogue ever once meeting Kara Killgrave.
I'd have the issue if they met, I think - but not necessarily remember it.

~ Le Messor
"Ladies, don't forget the rummage sale. It's a chance to get rid of those things not worth keeping around the house. Don't forget your husbands."

[-K-M-]

Yeah I picked it up and she was in it a lot longer then I expected, and no I cant recall Purple Girl meeting Rogue either.

[Phil]

I spoke to Frank on twitter and he said he'd been wanting to use her ever since Weapon X.

[Chris]

Only time I could possibly think of was in Marvel Holiday Spectacular Magazine aka Marvel Digital Holiday Special 2008. Rob did a nice review of that issue here. (http://alphaflightcollector.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/christmas-creep-hits-marvel-comics-this-year/) That's where Purple Girl was seen hanging out with the X-Men at Christmas time in San Francisco. I see just about every X-Men in the panels except for Rogue. Maybe Kara and Rogue exchanged Christmas presents off panel?

[cmdrkoenig67]

Poor Kara...Oh well.

Dana

[Le Messor]

Only time I could possibly think of was in Marvel Holiday Spectacular Magazine aka Marvel Digital Holiday Special 2008. Rob did a nice review of that issue here. (http://alphaflightcollector.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/christmas-creep-hits-marvel-comics-this-year/) That's where Purple Girl was seen hanging out with the X-Men at Christmas time in San Francisco. I see just about every X-Men in the panels except for Rogue. Maybe Kara and Rogue exchanged Christmas presents off panel?

Though, that reminds me, they were probably both in the same Swimsuit special...
Give me a moment...

Yep, they were on Monster Island at the same time in v1, #2, 1993. Roge was on the cover, Persuasion inside, and they were both showing a lot of skin... maybe they accidentally touched then?

~ Le Messor
"Langsam's Laws: 1) Everything depends 2) Nothing is always 3) Everything is sometimes."

[Phil]

If anyone wanted the Age Of Apocalypse Omnibus for the the Billy Tan cover with a new image of Wild Child but wasn't prepared to pay the large price, you might be able to get hold of this French reprint that uses the cover for less: http://www.comicvine.com/marvel-gold-l-ere-d-apocalypse-3/4000-412014/

[rplass]

Nice! So glad that image is used again. But I do very much reccommend that Omnibus.

Phil this was also released as an official Marvel poster 24x36 for 8 bucks.

[Le Messor]

But I do very much reccommend that Omnibus.

Well, at least for those la-di-da high falutin' members who speak French. Those show-offs qui penses qu'ils sont mieux que nous autres.

... oh... yeah... I speak French.

~ Le Messor
"Le bon Dieu est dans le detail."
~ Flaubert

[rplass]

The Omnibus I was referring to is in English. Here is a link to a previous discussion where we discussed it:
http://alphaflight.net/showthread.php?5498-Wildchild-in-Year-of-the-X-Men-promo&p=82113&viewfull=1#post82113

And on the masterworks forum, discussed in great detail why you should buy it:

http://marvelmasterworksfansite.yuku.com/topic/11477/Age-of-Apocalypse?page=1#.UcJD6flwqSo

Full disclosure, yes I got a copy just for the dust jacket. So sue me. Actually I'm a sucker for anything AoA so I was likely to get this anyway but the dust jacket sealed the deal!

[Le Messor]

The Omnibus I was referring to is in English.

Oh... I see what happened there..

... I got confused. I thought I was mostly just a carrier.

~ Le Messor
"Law of Selective Gravity: An object will fall so as to do the most damage."

[Phil]

Because I'm clearly losing the plot; which specific issue was this image taken from?
Was it just in the previews for Vol.2?

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http://www.comicvine.com/especial-do-mes-2-tropa-alfa/4000-387273/

[Le Messor]

Was it one of the last? Why do I think that?

[rplass]

Yes that was a preview image for v2. I believe first published in Marvel Vision #19 (cover date July 1997). Its on page 10 and opened up a 4pg article about the v2 series. If you open up your Alpha Flight v2 issues, you'll also see it inside the gatefold "intro spread" those issues had. I think the image was in all 20 issues and likely popped up in other places as well.

[Phil]

Has anyone got this at all: http://comicbookdb.com/title.php?ID=37057

[Le Messor]

Interesting! It seems to focus mainly on AF, according to that blurb.

The other day I got a graphic novel: Wolverine: Bloodlust by Alan Davis and Paul Neary. While AF don't appear, they are mentioned, when a barroom brawler type sees Logan fighting creatures in Canada:
"It's a sooperhero! One o' them Alfer Flight!"
(NB: Wolverine probably wasn't a member at the time. It was printed in 1990, and there's no reason to think it took place in the past. And he's wearing his brown costume.)

~ Le Messor
"Laws of Serendipity: (1) In order to discover anything, you must be looking for something. (2) If you wish to make an improved product, you must already be engaged in making an inferior one."

[Phil]

I seem to remember this being covered somewhere before, but a quick search doesn't bring it up;

Black Knight #1 (http://www.comicvine.com/black-knight-1-the-rebirth-of-the-black-knight/4000-32833/) - Is this Marrina's spirit trapped in the sword or does she actually appear in flashback? Or does she not appear at all?

[rplass]

The Black Knight #1 appearance is a single page cameo of her in Leviathan form, in flashback to events of Avengers #293. There's also an image of Namor stabbing her in the head, an exact re-creation of the same panel on p25 of that issue, except the blood squirting out of Marrina's head was miscolored black in the re-creation.

Love,
rplass

[Phil]

Nice one. I thought as much.

And the black blood might not be a mis-colouring; it's something that happens a lot in comics as a way of getting around the comic-code because supposedly it's less violent than red blood...

[Le Messor]

Which is weird, because black blood implies more violence than red. It probably means you've hit a vein or something (yes, I have seen blood looking black before. Don't ask).

~ Le Messor
"Learned men are the cisterns of knowledge, not the fountainheads."

[Phil]

A technical appearance of sorts: You Are Spider-Man Vs. The Incredible Hulk (http://www.amazon.com/SPIDER-INCREDIBLE-Spider-Man-Super-Thriller/dp/0671007971).

It's another choose-your-own-adventure novel (http://alphaflight.net/showthread.php?4715-Some-Alpha-Flight-appearances&p=89365&viewfull=1#post89365) and it has a few chapters at the start that include 'Dr Walter Langkowski... one of the world's top experts on radiation..."
There are no illustrations of him however.

The OHOTMU HC adds it as continuity so if so it's after the 'birth' of Spider-Man & Hulk, but before Walt became Sasquatch.

[Le Messor]

Wow, that's cool. ~ Le Messor "Learning without thought is labor lost; thought without learning is perilous."

[Phil]

Wolverine & the X-Men #25.

At the back of the issue there's an infrographic, much like the one in Uncanny X-Men (Vol.2) #1 (http://alphaflightcollector.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/madison-jefferies-in-uncanny-x-men-1/) that includes Northstar as "Senior Staff Member" of the Jean Grey School.

Reading back, there's actually a couple of photos pinned up in Dog's shack that feature Alpha Flight with Wolverine, so more of an appearance.

[Le Messor]

I hadn't noticed those!

[DIGGER]

Which is weird, because black blood implies more violence than red. It probably means you've hit a vein or something (yes, I have seen blood looking black before. Don't ask).

~ Le Messor
"Learned men are the cisterns of knowledge, not the fountainheads."

If you recall in the movie Star Trek 6 The Undiscovered Country the Klingon blood was pinkish/purple. This was because they had to make it that colour to get the scene past the ratings board with a pg-13. On The Next Generation however the blood was red because they didn't have to worry about that. Also blood can appear black if is or has started to coagulate/clot.

[Le Messor]

It was also a convenient way to distinguish Klingon blood from human. It always bugged me that they made Klingon blood red on the shows from then on.

~ Le Messor
"Liar: One who tells an unpleasant truth."

[rplass]

The previously mentioned Age of Apocalypse Omnibus is now going to have a long-awaited companion! Rumors of this beast are true! Amazon says 992 pages which is immensely huge for a companion book. Wait until April 2014 though.

http://www.amazon.com/X-Men-Age-Apocalypse-Omnibus-Companion/dp/0785185143/

Be sure to find Wild Child, Aurora, Northstar and Box (AoA versions) in this elephantine tome.

[Flightpath07]

Amazon says 992 pages


immensely huge

this elephantine tome.

Can we officially nickname it, The Back Breaker?

[Phil]

Anyone pick up Uncanny Avengers #11?

Apparently there's a brief X-Force cameo, so of course that means some Puck!

[GingrBeard]

Anyone pick up Uncanny Avengers #11?

Apparently there's a brief X-Force cameo, so of course that means some Puck!


Yes! I was quite surprised to see him. They show other teams as well and it really brings the whole connected universe thing together. I love it.

[Phil]

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[Le Messor]

Sounds intriguing...

[Flightpath07]

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Never even heard of it. When is it out?

Oh, wait. I see; "today's comics". Oops, my bad.

[Phil]

For those who want it spoiled: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/11/new-youth/

If you do click the link please use spoiler space for the preview panel and then spoiler tags when discussing the character please; the book's only a few hours old!

[Le Messor]

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Interesting... It's a pretty obscure choice of character!

[Flightpath07]

Da#n...

Just like to say, that I came up with this idea about a year or more ago. Somewhere, either posted on here, or on my blog, or on my website (or a website that i used to have, but may have now deleted...d'oh!), I had this basic idea for the character in question.

Not saying my idea was stolen, or even seen; maybe more like "great minds think alike"? The similarities are amazing, tho.


It's a pretty obscure choice of character!

Not to me, as this character has been living in my head for quite some time...

[Flightpath07]

As an aside (and off topic, sorry):

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/11/who-is-the-mysterious-spider-hero-in-mighty-avengers-1/

I wholeheartedly agree with the last sentence of this article! (non-Alpha related, and speculation rather than a true spoiler)

[-K-M-]

I wouldn't get to comfortable seems like those two are going to be built up as fodder.

[Flightpath07]

I wouldn't get to comfortable seems like those two are going to be built up as fodder.

Two?

Are you thinking then that the character on the Left in the pic is also an Alpha-related character? I could see that as being so...makes sense, then, too, as to why the names for both seem to flow together, as if they know each other...

[Chris]

Two?

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[Mokole]

I wouldn't call the one on the right obscure. But I hope that character gets used well.

[-K-M-]

No, I doubt he is Alpha related. Their just from the same school which wasn't well received. I guess due to Avengers Arena, but they were brunt of jokes.

[-K-M-]

Two?

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Is the guy on the left one of Marrina's kids?? I thought they were all killed in a Namor annual? I can't remember.
Only one was, there is still two out there somewhere

[DIGGER]

Not to me, as this character has been living in my head for quite some time...[/QUOTE]

That must have been quite painfull...not to mention crowded.

[Flightpath07]

That must have been quite painfull...not to mention crowded.

No, we're good!


there is still two out there somewhere

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Would one of those two be Mar from Volume 2? Seems to me, nobody knows what happened to Mar, as far as I remember.

[Phil]

Seems to me, nobody knows what happened to Mar, as far as I remember.
Or just nobody cares.

I think this new character is an interesting choice.
I was quite perturbed by the fact that there was no Canadian Academy/Flight Program involved in the issue when I saw the solicits/announcement of the series as the rest of the world was featured, and while this doesn't make up for it per se it's a nice touch and bit of research.
Odd that they're at the Braddock Academy though, but between Windshear and Wild Child's retcon it kinda fits in with AF lore.

[Flightpath07]

I was quite perturbed by the fact that there was no Canadian Academy/Flight Program involved in the issue when I saw the solicits/announcement of the series as the rest of the world was featured

Even a Hull House Program would have been okay! More than okay, in fact!

[Phil]

Yeah, I'd have loved to have seen Flex & Ghost Girl appear.

[Flightpath07]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=45975

Appears Kindt is a John Byrne fan.

[Chris]

No, I doubt he is Alpha related. Their just from the same school which wasn't well received. I guess due to Avengers Arena, but they were brunt of jokes.

Have not read Avengers Arena. So this Braddock Academy is not taken seriously, kinda like Alpha Flight?

I still find it weird that Alpha Flight has disappeared since the Mayan Rule and Northstar's wedding stories. Well actually I've come to expect this from Marvel. Alpha Flight needs to show up in Infinity and be a force to be reckoned with so people will start taking them seriously.

[-K-M-]

Basically all the elite students from Braddock Academy are in Avengers Arena, these two are the leftovers pretty much. Queintin Quire mocks them, but says they would make a good 1980's detective team

[Flightpath07]

Alpha Flight needs to show up in Infinity and be a force to be reckoned with so people will start taking them seriously.

Chris, I was hoping that Validator would be the big hero in Infinity and save the day.

Heck, why not? Marvel once had Norman Osborne appear to save the world from the Skrull Invasion...

[-K-M-]

Validator kind of just vanished, she has had one panel since her big appearance. Hopefully she appears again soon

[Flightpath07]

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Just like to say, that I came up with this idea about a year or more ago. Somewhere, either posted on here, or on my blog, or on my website (or a website that i used to have, but may have now deleted...d'oh!), I had this basic idea for the character in question.

Not saying my idea was stolen, or even seen; maybe more like "great minds think alike"? The similarities are amazing, tho.



Not to me, as this character has been living in my head for quite some time...

I stand corrected. My notes, dated Feb 12th 2010, had Box as the daughter of Roger Bochs, and not crippled; she built the new Box robot from her father's designs, with Mac's help.

[Phil]

Validator kind of just vanished, she has had one panel since her big appearance. Hopefully she appears again soon
See http://alphaflight.net/content.php?732-Review-Avengers-10-(Volume-5)&page=2#comments

[Chris]

So Axel Alonso is promising more Validator in the future. Good to hear!

[Ahab]

Or just nobody cares.

I think this new character is an interesting choice.
I was quite perturbed by the fact that there was no Canadian Academy/Flight Program involved in the issue when I saw the solicits/announcement of the series as the rest of the world was featured, and while this doesn't make up for it per se it's a nice touch and bit of research.
Odd that they're at the Braddock Academy though, but between Windshear and Wild Child's retcon it kinda fits in with AF lore.

Funny. I cared. I liked Mar and the idea that he was Marrina's child. Of course I cared more that Marrina was brought back. I've always loved the character.
This new character is definitely a surprise and a welcomed one. I always liked the character of Box (before Mantlo turned him into a psychotic mess) because he was so different and not your typical fully-toned superhero. I had hoped that when we saw Box in the latest AF series, that the real Bochs was back, but no such luck. I hope that they do this character justice and as others have mentioned, he is not just treated as a red-shirt.

[rplass]

Ahab you get the alphaflight.net "post of the week" award. I just made up the award of course but I liked your post so much that I decided to give it to you.

I'm pretty sure the Box Jr. character will do well in the contest ,hoping it will spin out into an ongoing Beta Flight title.

[Phil]

Funny. I cared.


Likewise, but 99% of the general comic-reading public didn't.

[Le Messor]

I have a theory that the Marrina in volume 4 is Mar!

[Flightpath07]

Really? I think that the Mar in Volume 2 is really just a clone of Mac gone wrong.

[Le Messor]

Oooh... and they got the last letter of the name wrong.

Wait... Mar wasn't in v2!

[Flightpath07]

Really? Are you sure? Perhaps Sasquatch in Volume 2 was really Mar in Volume 3, who was another clone of Mac (a la Volume 1, issue 26)...

No, you got me, my bad. I meant Mar from Vol 3, of course.

[rplass]

I liked Mar and the idea that he was Marrina's child

Mar is not Marrina's child, though it was hinted so at the end of v3 that he was Namor's, possibly both of them. I liked him too!

[Flightpath07]

Mar is not Marrina's child, though it was hinted so at the end of v3 that he was Namor's, possibly both of them. I liked him too!

Er, hoping Rob won't mind if I link this quote back to where he first brought it up:http://alphaflightcollector.wordpress.com/2013/09/15/namor-breathes-a-sigh-of-relief/

[Chris]

Last week's A+X #12, in the Wonder Man & Beast team up story by Christos Gage, Pink Pearl appears in 1 panel wrestling with Hank.

[rplass]

Hey thanks for the reminder Chris. Already mentioned on this thread:

http://alphaflight.net/showthread.php?8771-Article-Marvel-Solicitations-For-September-2013&p=92449

But it's always good to get a field report from one of our sharpest eyes!

[Chris]

Thanks for the kind words. My eyes somehow missed the September thread though. I need to get my Torpedo visor modified again ;)

[Phil]

Looks like (Nu-)Box is in Infinity:The Hunt #2. Not sure how much though.

[Le Messor]

Is that the one from Inhumanity?

[Flightpath07]

The Inhumanity? Oh!

[Chris]

Looks like (Nu-)Box is in Infinity:The Hunt #2. Not sure how much though.

5 panels.


Is that the one from Inhumanity?

There's an Inhumanity event tying into a bunch of Marvel titles in December that will lead into a new Inhuman book. And there will be an Inhumanity: The Awakening mini series that follows after Infinity: The Hunt. Not sure if (Nu-)Box will be partaking in all that.

[Flightpath07]

Hm. More Inhumans, eh? Sigh...

[Le Messor]

There is a Box character who ties into Inhumanity... is that what you mean by Nu-Box, or is it someone else?

~ Le Messor
"Live in the past and future only."

[Phil]

The Box character ties in to Infinity, not Inhumanity, in the current pages of Infinity:The Hunt.

[Le Messor]

Ooohhh... I get it now. I've been confused all along.

[Phil]

5 panels.
I'm glad he actually gets some lines, and manages to rub Quentin Quire up the wrong way.

[Le Messor]

Yeah, but rubbing Quentin Quire the wrong way is like shooting fish in a barrel...

[Flightpath07]

Yeah, but rubbing Quentin Quire the wrong way is like shooting fish in a barrel...

...with dynamite. Wait, I guess that isn't shooting fish, that's just fishing.

[Ahab]

Er, hoping Rob won't mind if I link this quote back to where he first brought it up:http://alphaflightcollector.wordpress.com/2013/09/15/namor-breathes-a-sigh-of-relief/

I had given up on Rob's blog - who knew that such a resurgence of updates had taken place in the past month? I did notice a disturbance in the force but had no idea that this was what had caused it...

[Flightpath07]

I had given up on Rob's blog - who knew that such a resurgence of updates had taken place in the past month? I did notice a disturbance in the force but had no idea that this was what had caused it...

You should know to never give up on Rob! He knows to NEVER wear the red shirt when going off-ship. Plus, he has made more successful comebacks than there are Tribbles.

[Chris]

I had given up on Rob's blog - who knew that such a resurgence of updates had taken place in the past month? I did notice a disturbance in the force but had no idea that this was what had caused it...

On Rob's homepage, there's an Email Subscription box on the right so you can receive notifications of new posts so you never miss another exciting review.

[rplass]

The previously mentioned (http://alphaflight.net/showthread.php?4715-Some-Alpha-Flight-appearances&p=92042&viewfull=1#post92042) Age of Apocalypse Omnibus companion cover art (possibly?) on Amazon is Wild Child-less. Dunno if it's the actual art for the cover but really Wild Child ought to be there, chained up to Sabretooth:

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[rplass]

Nu-Box likely to be in Infinity Hunt #3 as well. He's listed in the preview page:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=18585

[Mokole]

Wouldn't it be nice if young Box became the break-out star of this? Better than simply being used and killed off-panel.

[Flightpath07]

Better than simply being used and killed off-panel.

Don't give them any ideas!

[Phil]

Well, he's definitely in it, but I'm not 100% he made it out alive...

[rplass]

Yeah, he's likely to have survived even though the armor got a bit cracked up. I think he'll be OK.

[Flightpath07]

Yeah, I'd guess he survived. Whether or not we will ever see or hear from him again? That's an entirely different story!

[Calbretto]

Kickass 3 #4 doesn't feature Alpha Flight exactly, but the main character is on a message board discussing Canadian super-heroes and he references Alpha Flight and Wolverine being Canadian.

[rplass]

Hey this week's X-Men Gold #1

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EDIT: the appearance is a reprint/promo from Amazing X-Men #1. I just saw the pointy ears and grabbed it off the shelf, didn't really click that it was a reprint. Oh well, it's still a cool comic if you can appreciate X-Men history.

[rplass]

Yeah, I'd guess he survived. Whether or not we will ever see or hear from him again? That's an entirely different story!

Well in Infinity Hunt #4

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[Flightpath07]

Hurray, Box Junior survived!

Um.

In all, his appearance in this LS was...underwhelming. He was there...but that is about it.

As this LS wraps up, a thought comes to mind. My poor brain imagines the discussion at Marvel HQ before this series begins, where somebody throws out the idea of a Canadian school for the powered and gifted...and the idea is quickly stomped on. "Don't want to give those Alpha Flight lovers anything to get their hopes up...they'll just flood all the message boards with their stupid messages about wanting Alpha Flight back." Then somebody comes up with the idea of 'throwing us a bone'; "Hey, what about if we entice them AF fans to buy this series, by inserting a legacy character in the story, but not really doing anything with him after that. This way, we get their money, but don't get their hopes high enough to have to listen to their whining and mewing and complaining..."

I hate to say it, but after reading The Hunt, I get the feeling that I've just been taken advantage of...

Have i mentioned that with the cancellation of the Fearless Defenders title next month, I will now be Marvel-free in my pull list?

[Le Messor]

This way, we get their money, but don't get their hopes high enough to have to listen to their whining and mewing and complaining..."

Don't worry... I didn't buy it.
There was no interest in the limited itself, and I've recently decided I'm not so in love with the ashes of Alpha Flight that I'll buy every single appearance of anything remotely connected to it. Or that just looks like it.

So they didn't get us all!

~ Le Messor
"Make your learning a fixture; Say little and do much; And receive everyone with a friendly attitude."

[Flightpath07]

Don't worry... I didn't buy it.
So they didn't get us all!
~ Le Messor


To quote my favourite Gandalf line from the movies, "Fly, you fools!"

[Le Messor]

I wish I could fly... then I might go to Tasmania!

[Phil]

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[Phil]

Okay... there's a floating head that looks like it could be him... but given the rest of the characters in the panel I think it's more likely meant to be Pete Wisdom.

[rplass]

Which panel do you mean, Phil? I didn't see Northstar.

[Flightpath07]

Which panel do you mean, Phil? I didn't see Northstar.

Well, he IS pretty quick...

[Phil]

Which panel do you mean, Phil? I didn't see Northstar.

There's one panel where there are lots of floating heads of X-characters that Legion has interacted with coming out of his head.
There's a dark haired male head around the top right of the section.
It was reported as being JP but I'm 99% sure it's Wisdom.

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[Phil]

Apparently Puck (& The rest of X-Force) made a cameo in Uncanny Avengers #15.

[GingrBeard]

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[Flightpath07]

...I smell a retro-fitting coming on...

[GingrBeard]

You mean like turning Puck into a mutant so he's not one of those androgynous types like Deadpool floating around?

[Flightpath07]

Deadpool floating around? Wouldn't that be Deadbuoy?

[GingrBeard]

Damn it.. Too good.

[marvelnowfansite]

You mean like turning Puck into a mutant so he's not one of those androgynous types like Deadpool floating around?
Puck can be explained as follows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puck_(comics)

[Flightpath07]

Puck can be explained as follows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puck_(comics)

LOL. Yes, yes it can. (Seriously, click the link.)

[Phil]

Wikipedia is wrong, pure and simple. Anyone can change and edit that.

[GingrBeard]

Wikipedia is wrong, pure and simple. Anyone can change and edit that.
Says "altered human" which is right, no? Also, Cap would fall into that category to but he's fine. Scarlet witch has it out for Puck I guess. Or she's another ex wife ;)

[Flightpath07]

When I click the link, it says "Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name."

[Phil]

Manually type in the ) that the paginated link misses out.

[Le Messor]

Manually type in the ) that the paginated link misses out.

Aha! It does seem to work much better that way.

We've had similar things before - Roger Bochs's name (apparently) on an autopsy drawer in X-Men 2, Sasquatch being one of the lupine mutants :roll: in Wolverine, etc... so it could be more surprising.

~ Le Messor
"Man who falls in vat of molten optical glass makes spectacle of self."

[Calbretto]

I just read Uncanny Avengers last night and thought of coming here to complain about Puck being shown as a mutant, but it seems I'm late to the party.

I really hate the Sasquatch inclusion in the Romulus storyline in Wolverine. What were they thinking?

[Le Messor]

I really hate the Sasquatch inclusion in the Romulus storyline in Wolverine. What were they thinking?


Now, now... don't be so quick with the accusations.
I'm pretty sure there wasn't much thinking going on at all.

~ Le Messor
"Many of my readers assume that I am dead and are quite surprised to find me still alive. Nevertheless this is indeed the case."
~ Isaac Asimov in 1979 (he died in 1992)

[Phil]

A sort-of-kinda-ish appearance: 1994's Fury #1 features Hydra trying to steal Mac's Am-Can exosuit (Mac's not in it, but the suit apparently is - I haven't got it.).